Mike has said:Quote When was Jesus begotten?  While I think it was from his very creation, I cannot Scripturally prove it.”Mike said:Quote It is a big leap for you to use the word “definitely” for something that is only your conjecture, and not supported by the leading scholoars, don't you think?Arthur Custance replies:“It seems clear enough that…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 10 2010,12:35)Quote (thethinker @ April 10 2010,12:14)What are you talking about? I don't know about all other instances because I have not delved into the name “Christ” everywhere it is used in the genetive. Why would it matter?Hi Thinker,My thought is this…. If there are other instances that Christ was genetive, but…[Read more]

Martian,I am disappointed in you because you dodged my last post on Exodus 23. I duplicate it again. Please reply specifically to it or be quiet:Martian said that the Messenger merely has “the character of God in Him.” But Jehovah refers to His Messenger in the third person throughout the narrative and at the end identifies His Messenger as…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ April 10 2010,12:48)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 10 2010,11:49)Second, your rant proves nothing because it doesn't even say what you think it does.  Was it a rant? I don't think so. Unlike a lot of his detractors Thethinker's posts are well structured, focused and follow a logical line of reasoning. Very rarely do I see the core of…[Read more]

Quote (martian @ April 10 2010,12:09)Quote (thethinker @ April 10 2010,09:57)Quote (martian @ April 10 2010,05:13)The Theological Workbook of the Old Testament says,This word , which is generally viewed as the plural of eloah , is found far more frequently in Scripture than either el or eloah for the true God. The plural ending is usually…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 10 2010,11:36)Quote (thethinker @ April 10 2010,07:17)Mike, You are asking me to do your research for you. I don't have the time to look up the word “Christ” in every instance when it is genetive and see how it is translated. Come on!  It is clearly genetive in Romans 8 as also the word “God” is genetive. I gave you two…[Read more]

Mike,This is a supplement to my post earlier today. I decided to give you one of my sources for “monogennetos.” Please don't give me any of your “I don't care” stuff. If you disagree with it then refute it. Please note especially the sections I put in bold.Christ's Sonship:It was at the resurrection of Jesus Christ that God declared the decree:…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ April 10 2010,09:41)Quote (thethinker @ April 10 2010,08:03)Quote (david @ April 09 2010,19:01)Mark 12:1-10Also, he started to speak to them with illustrations: “A man planted a vineyard, and put a fence around it, and dug a vat for the winepress and erected a tower, and let it out to cultivators, and traveled abroad. 2 Now in…[Read more]

Quote (martian @ April 10 2010,05:13)The Theological Workbook of the Old Testament says,This word , which is generally viewed as the plural of eloah , is found far more frequently in Scripture than either el or eloah for the true God. The plural ending is usually described as a plural of majesty and not intended as a true plural when used of God.…[Read more]

Quote (david @ April 09 2010,19:01)Mark 12:1-10Also, he started to speak to them with illustrations: “A man planted a vineyard, and put a fence around it, and dug a vat for the winepress and erected a tower, and let it out to cultivators, and traveled abroad. 2 Now in due season he sent forth a slave to the cultivators, that he might get some of…[Read more]

Mike said:Quote Now I'm asking you to be honest before I do the research, is there similar times that Christ is genetive that it should translate not as “of”, but as “with” or something else?Mike, You are asking me to do your research for you. I don't have the time to look up the word “Christ” in every instance when it is genetive and see how it…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 09 2010,14:46)Hey Thinker,Is this your way of skipping over the right hand thing on to something else? Answer what I posted in the jodi lee today.  put your answer in here, and I'll respond here tomorrow or Sat., most likelylater,mikeMike,I ain't skipping over nuttin. Concede that Jesus is the firstborn Son in relation…[Read more]

David:Quote Major premise: “No one has ever seen God”–1 John 4:12The word “to see” often refers to seeing with the comprehension. No man has comprehended God, the Only God who is after His kind, He has EXPLAINED Him.”Get it now David? Christ “explained” God so that men could “see” Him with their understanding.Jacob saw a physical manifestation of…[Read more]

Mike said:Quote I gave you the context of John saying a bird was a part of “all creation”.  What words would John have used?Mike,If you want to move on to the next point, then why do you keep this point alive?I missed the “context” you gave about birds. John qould have used “oikumene” which by metonymy denotes the inhabitants of the earth. I am…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ April 10 2010,02:00)Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 11 2010,02:55)The Father also CLEARLY refers to His Son as God (Hebrews 1:8). Do you put as much stock in the Father's testimony as you do in the testimony of Jesus?There is uncertainty as to the precise translation of this verse. Two possibilities exist:”Thy throne, O God, is for ever and…[Read more]

Quote (martian @ April 10 2010,02:32)Quote (thethinker @ April 09 2010,06:00)Martian said:Quote If you read my answers you will see conclusively that echad is not plural in any way.TO ALL: If there is so much as one statement in the Bible that contradicts Martian, then we can send him home in his spaceship.Well there is:From the “One Flesh”…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 09 2010,16:45)Hi thinker,Here's the scoop from the Jehovah's Witnesses:JESUS called God “the only true God.” (John 17:3) Never did he refer to God as a deity of plural persons. That is why nowhere in the Bible is anyone but Jehovah called Almighty. Otherwise, it voids the meaning of the word “almighty.” Neither Jesus n…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ April 09 2010,07:27)Nick,TT is trying call us names but doesn't have the evidence to back it up so he makes it up.He doesn't ask us what our belief is – he tell us what we believe and then calls us Idolators.What is an Idolater, anyway?JA,Why do you misunderstand all the time? I said “by your standards” you would be idolaters…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ April 09 2010,03:47)Quote (thethinker @ April 09 2010,02:59)Quote (terraricca @ April 09 2010,01:23)Quote (kerwin @ April 08 2010,21:02)The Thinker & MikeBolt,Romans 8:17 does not appear to be the best scripture to solve a debate as experts in Greek disagree on the exact wording.   Arguing over it will get you nowhere.  Why d…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 09 2010,07:22)Quote (JustAskin @ April 08 2010,13:07)Angels that deserted their place in the higher heavens materialized human bodies…Yet you limit God from doing this! WJKeith,Excellent point! Anti-trinitarians say that God is spirit and therefore He cannot become flesh. Yet angels are spirits too and the…[Read more]