Mike said:Quote I said:  There is NO SCRIPTURE ANYWHERE IN THE BIBLE that says Jesus received the “position” of the Son of God by a decree.My answer is the same Mike.6Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion. 7I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.Mike:Quote I said:  There i…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 22 2010,15:29)Hi Thinker,What is the “elohim and echad” doing in our debate?  mikeHi Mike,Because it has two of the points of our debate which are plural unity and right hand. If we discuss these two points in echad and elohym then we should drop them here.thinker

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 22 2010,12:47)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 21 2010,18:45)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 20 2010,20:23)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 20 2010,16:16)So tell me once again without all the spin how that if all things come through the Father and Jesus how Jesus is not equally God?Okay WJ,No spin, just a simple question you…[Read more]

Mike said:Quote Jesus did recognize Jehovah as “the Lord of heaven and earth”, which includes “over him”.Again, Jesus said “My Father” but never “My Lord.” And again, the Father also called Jesus “Lord” (Heb. 1:10)Mike:Quote It is absurd to think that God would call someone else “my God”.But God called Jesus “God” (Heb. 1:8). He meant that Jesus…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 22 2010,08:08)Hi WJ, God was in him. He explained this in Jn14.Nick,The Father was in Jesus and Jesus was in the Father. This necessitates the idea of interdependency.thinker

Quote (Ed J @ April 17 2010,09:42)Quote (thethinker @ April 17 2010,07:35)Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 17 2010,06:13)Hi Georg,When Jesus has ruled 1000 years then the second resurrection takes place and all outside of him who have ever lived face judgement-from Sodom and Gomorrah too.Of course those in him do not come under judgement because they…[Read more]

Mike:Quote You say “adonay” always means “God”.   Here's what Online Bible Study Tools says:'Adonay TWOT – 27b Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech ad-o-noy'    Noun Masculine   Definition my lord, lord of men of God Lord – title, spoken in place of Yahweh in Jewish display of reverenceLooks like it can even be used of men, Jack.  It just basi…[Read more]

CA said:Quote 1. The bottom line is not “tradition vs. no tradition,” but rather, “true, apostolic tradition vs. false traditions of men.”CA,On this I agree with you. The Arains here falsely claim that they are non traditional. But they do indeed hold to tradition just like we all do.thinker

thethinker said:Quote Show from scripture where Christ's Father is called His “Lord.”Mike replied:Quote At that time Jesus said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.If the Father is Lord of heaven and earth, doesn't that include Jesus,…[Read more]

thethinker said:Quote Show from scripture where Christ's Father is called His “Lord.”Mike replied:Quote At that time Jesus said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.If the Father is Lord of heaven and earth, doesn't that include Jesus,…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ April 20 2010,10:18)TT,You kill me.JA,You should give an intelligent reply or be quiet. Why did David say to Jehovah, “My Adonay (God) is at your right hand” (Psalm 110:5). In verse 1 David calls Messiah His “adonai” or Lord. But in verse 5 he calls Messiah his “adonay” (God). According to Strong's the word in verse 5 “adonay”…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 20 2010,11:08)Hi Thinker,Show me how being at the “right hand” of someone means you are:a.  That same being.b.  Equal to that being.peace and love,mikeMike,I am going to get to your other post here eventually. I have a family. I have never said that the Son was the same being. The Father and the Son are two persons but o…[Read more]

JA said:Quote Mike,TT lost it ages a go.I'm surprised you just noticing.JA,Let's see your feeble attempt to explain Psalm 110. In verse 1 David called the Messiah his “adonai” (Lord). But in verse 5 He replied to Jehovah saying, “My “ADONAY” (God) is at your right hand.”  1The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine…[Read more]

Mike said:Quote Where does Jesus get his power?You know my answer.Mike:Quote It's hard to even think of a response to someone who thinks “my God” can be interchanged with, “yo, what's up my brother”.  You are out there, man.  Do you make this up as you go along?  Paul said, 6yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came an…[Read more]

Mike said:Quote Is Jesus the only one the God speaks through?“Who upholds all things by the WORD of HIS POWER.”Mike:Quote Which title holds more rank in your opinion?The expression “My God” may sometimes refer to one's having a covenantal, familial relationship without the master servant idea. In the Revelation God says of the one who overcomes,…[Read more]

Mike said:Quote Lame and unacceptable.  Because Jesus is the Word, his Father and God cannot talk anymore?  Ridiculous.Who said that the Father cannot talk anymore! Hebrews 1 says that the Father speaks through the Son (1:2).Mike:Quote  You pick and choose a Scripture here and there that is worded in such a way that it can be twisted to say so…[Read more]

Mike said:Quote So if the view you agree with is valid, then so is the other one, right?Mike,The plural of majesty view is not valid because there are no examples of it in the scriptures or in ancient, semitic literature. You can't just grab a theory out of thin air. Albert Barnes notes this:Quote Oriental princes, it is alleged, from the most…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 17 2010,06:13)Hi Georg,When Jesus has ruled 1000 years then the second resurrection takes place and all outside of him who have ever lived face judgement-from Sodom and Gomorrah too.Of course those in him do not come under judgement because they have have already passed from death to life.He cannot die in the second…[Read more]

t8 said:Quote When you say “my God” to what are you referring? I know when I say it, I am talking about my supreme authority.Then Thomas called Christ his “supreme authority” when he addressed Jesus as “My God.”t8:Quote Here are some examples of how I view God and Jesus together and you will see that God is the supreme authority and that even…[Read more]

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