Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 03 2010,06:26)Hi WJ, Apostasy is a poor act to follow. Go back to the Word.Nick,Your canned replies show that you sweep the issues under the rug.KJ

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 03 2010,06:11)Hi KJ, WOULD YOU MAKE MOSES A THIEF AND A ROBBER? NOTHING USEFUL DONE BY HIM WAS NOT BY THE POWER OF HIS GOD.forget your theological laws.Nick,Should you not give the credit to the same person that Moses did, i.e., the Messenger of Jehovah?According to Moses: The Messenger of Jehovah delivered us from Egypt…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 03 2010,05:56)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 02 2010,13:18)Mikeboll said:Quote I don't ask anyone to interpret scripture the way Eusebius did.  But from his letter we can see that he took Col 1:15 to literally mean that Christ was the “firstborn of all creation”, not “preeminant over mankind” as Roo asserts.  Eusebius t…[Read more]

Mikeboll said:Quote I don't ask anyone to interpret scripture the way Eusebius did.  But from his letter we can see that he took Col 1:15 to literally mean that Christ was the “firstborn of all creation”, not “preeminant over mankind” as Roo asserts.  Eusebius thought that Jesus was the “first-born of every creature, before all the ages”.  That el…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 02 2010,14:04)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 02 2010,10:14)I am still waiting for you to show me. You have said that Moses was a “savior.” Yet Moses included himself among the delivered saying that it was the Messenger of YHWH who delivered them out of Egypt (Numbers 20:16).Hi Roo,We are told explicitly that King Saul saved…[Read more]

Gene said:Quote All…….when Jesus described himself, what did he say, did he say he literately preexisted his berth,  NO he did not ever say that. But He giving reference to himself said .Jesus said, “Before Abraham was I AM.”KJ

Quote (Arnold @ June 03 2010,00:48)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 02 2010,10:23)t8 said:Quote You can't make Jesus YHWH by cleverly using nouns that are applied to others. Saviour is also used of others.I am still waiting for you to show me. You have said that Moses was a “savior.” Yet Moses included himself among the delivered saying that it was the…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ June 02 2010,15:24)Kangaroo Jack,You are correct that Satan is the accuser of our brothers who accuses them night and day before God.  If he has done what John states in Revelations 12:9-10 then he is hardly in the lake of fire.  In fact he in a like manner accused Job in the book of that is why he tempted David to take a census.  …[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ June 02 2010,18:21)Kangaroo Jack,How do you conclude that Mosses was not a savior from Numbers 20:16?Hi Kerwin,Moses said that the Messenger of Jehovah delivered “US” including himself. He included himself among the delivered. Therefore, Moses was not a “savior.” Furthermore, the song of Moses gives all the credit to the Messenger…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ June 02 2010,10:44)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 02 2010,08:37)ED J erroneously said:Quote David is clearly winning this debate! But in case his Posts are hard to understand, here's “the knock-out punch”! kü-rē-ŏs means “Lord” and is akin to the Hebrew word Âdônây meaning “Lord” or “Owner”.ED J,Here is the “knock out punch” that t…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 02 2010,10:50)Hi KJ, If theological theory is relevant to knowing God and His son we would all jump in.Nick,Was Moses among the delivered or not? The whole internet world is watching you dodge my simple and fair questions. If Moses was included among the delivered, then he was not a “savior.” And if Jesus was not included…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 02 2010,10:04)Roo,The angel told Mary that the Son's name would be Jesus, and the angel is the messenger of God and Jesus means Jehovah Saves, does it not?  Isn't Jesus' Father, God, and therefore God gave His Son the name 'Jesus.'  Mary and Joseph did not come up with His name.Sorry Kathi but I don't follow you. We were c…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 02 2010,10:34)Hi KJ, God is the saviour of all men in little ways and big ways all day long.Why would a word cause you to stumble again?t8 is trying to diminish Christ's Person and work as the Savior by invoking Moses as a “savior” too. But was Moses a “savior” if he was included among the delivered? Please answer Nick.…[Read more]

Attn: ModeratorI misspelled “numbers” in the sub title to this topic. I left out the letter b. Please correct for me.KJ

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 02 2010,10:23)Hi KJ, A little adjustment here and there and choosing manuscripts gives you  your own dogmas. But we prefer the anointed word.Nick,As usual you evaded my point. Moses was among the delivered. So how could he have been a “savior”?16 When WE cried out to the LORD, He heard OUR voice and sent the Angel and…[Read more]

t8 said:Quote Trying to make Jesus God because he is a saviour is deceptive. You might as well make Moses God too.Duplicate:I am still waiting for you to show me. You have said that Moses was a “savior.” Yet Moses included himself among the delivered saying that it was the Messenger of YHWH who delivered them out of Egypt (Numbers 20:16). You guys…[Read more]

t8 said:Quote You can't make Jesus YHWH by cleverly using nouns that are applied to others. Saviour is also used of others.I am still waiting for you to show me. You have said that Moses was a “savior.” Yet Moses included himself among the delivered saying that it was the Messenger of YHWH who delivered them out of Egypt (Numbers 20:16). You guys…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 02 2010,09:54)Hi KJ, You are so confused and still have to work from theory. God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself.There is no other name UNDER Heaven by which YOU can be saved.Yes Nick,Paul said that Jesus Christ is the indispensable agent in reconciliation.KJ

t8 said:Quote Again you fail to understand the difference between kind and identity. Until you can grasp that, you will continue to chase your own tail.t8,You have admitted before that Jesus is God “qualitatively.” That's “kind.” And Jesus is the Savior of the world. That's identity. Yet YHWH says “Besides Me there is no Savior.”And don't give me…[Read more]

Kathi said:Quote Jesus, on the other hand is given the name Jehovah Our Righteousness, or Jehovah Saves by His Father, Jehovah.Hi Kathi,Your statement above is not totally accurate though it is certainly much better than Mikeboll's views. Jesus is “Jehovah our righteousness” properly and not just “by the Father” as you say. In Romans 5 Paul said…[Read more]