BUMPED FROM SEPTEMBER 13 2009Okay t8,I almost forgot that you never answered how Jesus could be God “qualitatively” without being God.Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 13 2009,09:16)Quote (thethinker @ Sep. 12 2009,13:37)t8's source says:Quote But can we really read the word 'Theos' in John 1:1c as qualitative rather using it to refer to an identity?…[Read more]

BUMPED FROM SEPT 13 2009Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Sep. 13 2009,04:37)t8's source says:Quote But can we really read the word 'Theos' in John 1:1c as qualitative rather using it to refer to an identity? The most likely candidate is that the last instance of 'theos' (in John 1:1c) is qualitative. This is true both grammatically and theologically. (Also,…[Read more]

BUMPED FROM SEPT 13 2009Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Sep. 13 2009,04:37)t8's source says:Quote But can we really read the word 'Theos' in John 1:1c as qualitative rather using it to refer to an identity? The most likely candidate is that the last instance of 'theos' (in John 1:1c) is qualitative. This is true both grammatically and theologically. (Also,…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 10 2010,08:16)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 09 2010,09:13)Quote (Lightenup @ June 08 2010,23:07)Jesus became the second Adam when He came in the flesh.KathiAgreed, and thats when he became the “Monogenes' Son, and was “ginomai” (came into existence as man) made flesh, (John 1:14 – Phil 2:6-8) and after his ressurction is…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 10 2010,08:19)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 09 2010,11:04)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 10 2010,01:13)Quote (Lightenup @ June 08 2010,23:07)Jesus became the second Adam when He came in the flesh.KathiAgreed, and thats when he became the “Monogenes' Son, and was “ginomai” (came into existence as man) made flesh, (John 1:14 -…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 09 2010,10:57)Hi KJ, We have to reinforce the basics like 'seek first the kingdom' for those who preach false gods and who show they are without understandingSo Jesus is a false god???KJ

pok said:Quote You are trying to disconnect the cord that binds me to my creator.Jesus is your Creator. Your heavenly Father says so:Quote 8 But to the Son He says:      “ Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;      A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.       9 You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;      There…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 10 2010,07:41)Hi KJ, Indeed God was in him.Hebrews 1 does not say that God was in Him. It says that He is the indistinguishable representation of God's substance.KJ

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 10 2010,01:31)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 08 2010,20:30)You guys should look a little closer at what you post to “support” the trinity, because I get some of my best info AGAINST the trinity from stuff you post in support of it.Mike Thats because you still cannot understand the concept of plural unity. Trinitarians…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 07 2010,13:05)Hi KJ,The judgement is already made about who is saved. But men die then await resurrection to face judgementFaith in Jesus is the deciding issue, You must be born again.The proper understanding of Hebrews 9:27 is as follows:Old covenant age: It is appointed unto men to die ONCE. After this the judgmentNew…[Read more]

Quote (karmarie @ June 07 2010,10:53)The actual end is described in 2nd Peter. That hasnt happened yet.Peter was talking about the end of the old coveannt age (old earth). The new earth is the new covenant age.KJ

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 09 2010,10:53)Hi KJ, You really need wisdom more than knowledge as you depend on intellect not Spirit.Now means now is not intellect but is common sense.KJ

Quote (JustAskin @ June 09 2010,19:27)What is this that Ignatius says..'Jesus is our Lord God' and yet is held up as great theologian scholar?Ignatuis was right up there with Thomas. Memba Thomas JA? The guy who addressed Jesus saying, “My Lord and my God.”Thomas: “My Lord and my God.”Ignatius: “Jesus is our Lord God.”JustAskin: No way!KJ

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 10 2010,01:27)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 08 2010,20:12)Let's see if you can be honest, WJ.  Isn't it very clear from the Eusebius letter that YOU originally posted on HN that Eusebius truly took the word “monogenes” to mean “only begotten” and the words “prototokos pasa ktisis” to mean “firstborn of every…[Read more]

Quote (Arnold @ June 09 2010,05:50)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 02 2010,08:31)Quote (Arnold @ June 02 2010,07:58)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 02 2010,07:21)Quote (Arnold @ June 01 2010,15:05)W.J. and K!  What do you think in the beginning means?  To me it means that Jesus did have a beginning.Really? The Father was there with Jesus in the b…[Read more]

Mikeboll said:Quote Hey Roo!  Who places Jesus' enemies as a footstool for him again?The Father and the Son act as one. I don't need to show you the Father's part. So I will repeat for the UMTEENTH TIME the Son's part:As for us, our citizenship exists in the heavens, from which place also we are eagerly waiting for a savior, the Lord Jesus…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 09 2010,16:36)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 09 2010,15:37)Hi Paul and Kathi,I've been so busy with the prototokos thread that Paul is afraid to step foot on that I forgot I left you both hanging.  I'll try to answer tomorrow.  peace and love,mikeHuh? I didn't realise I had an obligation to follow you around the threads answering y…[Read more]

Quote (princess of the king @ June 09 2010,21:19)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 09 2010,10:25)Quote (princess of the king @ June 09 2010,07:53)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 09 2010,06:49)Quote (princess of the king @ June 08 2010,12:40)Actually, if believing in the trinity requires treating ones a chattle, then my heart chose wisely to avoid such…[Read more]

Kathi said:Quote Thanks for showing me that you do not understand that a requirement for the term 'firstborn' is to be actually born.  Adam wasn't the firstborn of man, Cain was the firstborn of all men.  Adam wasn't born at all, he was created.Jesus was born at His incarnation! When was He born prior to this? Oh I forgot, you believe that God h…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 10 2010,01:13)Quote (Lightenup @ June 08 2010,23:07)Jesus became the second Adam when He came in the flesh.KathiAgreed, and thats when he became the “Monogenes' Son, and was “ginomai” (came into existence as man) made flesh, (John 1:14 – Phil 2:6-8) and after his ressurction is when he became the “firstborn”, (having…[Read more]