Kathi said:Quote First of all, I do not agree that firstborn means preeminent.Kathi,That's too bad for you because your disagreement that firstborn mean “preeminent” puts you out of accord with the scripture. The word “firstborn” and “chief” are used interchangeably in 1 Chronicles 16:10:Also Hosah, of the children of Merari, had sons; Simri the…[Read more]

Worshippingjesus said to Mikeboll:Quote Why are you denying the fact that Eusebius had changed his position?Keith,Mike must continue his filibuster. He can't admit that Eusebius changed his position.Did you read the true story I told about an elder at my church who wrote essays which said that Christ was not God in the flesh? This was ten years…[Read more]

WorshippingJesus said to Mikeboll:Quote Here is what is really hillarious, that you say Jesus is “a god” but he is not “your god” and you can't even say he is a god over anyone, yet you say satan is the god of this world and is a mighty god over the people of the world!What is sad is that Mike believes that Jesus is a god in the “same sense” as…[Read more]

TO ALL:A Jehovah's Witness concurs that Jesus could not have always been the “only begotten Son”“If Jesus was always the 'only begotten son' he would have “always” been better than the other angels and his name would “always” have been better than thiers.”The JW even uses my argument from Psalm 89 regarding king David:“Also, King David prefigures…[Read more]

TO ALL:There is a point that I have been wanting to make so I will make it now. Mikeboll has tried to prove from fragment quotes that Eusebuis believed that Jesus had a beginning. These fragments are inadmissable because in the end Eusebius submitted to and signed the Nicean creed which denied that Jesus had a beginning.About 10 years ago there…[Read more]

Kathi said:Quote Roo,Since when is power begotten?Kathi,Isn't the word of the apostles good enough for ya?32And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the promise which was made unto the fathers, 33God hath FULFILLED the same unto us their children, in that HE RAISED UP JESUS AGAIN; as it is also WRITTEN IN THE SECOND PSALM, 'You are my Son, TO…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 12 2010,15:19)Hi KM, Yes the old heavens and earth flee away at the time of judgement.Jesus said “NOW is the judgment of this world.” So the judgment is not in the future. The old heaven and earth (Israel under the old covenant) did indeed “flee away.”KJ

Quote (karmarie @ June 12 2010,15:08)KJ, and Ed,By Anomonous..” I personally don't understand why it's so difficult to believe that the world and the universe shall be destoyed, the Holy Bible is fairly clear about this. If I have been given the faith to believe what the Holy Bible says about God, that heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ June 12 2010,20:30)KJ,Why are you so obsessed with 'Ownership'.You are betraying your inner being, your inner spirit, your inner – desire!Thank God… For, by this, we can see who and what you really are!JA,Why is it you side with ED J? He believes that the Holy Spirit is God which you guys say is also idolatry. Could it be that…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ June 12 2010,20:30)KJ,Why are you so obsessed with 'Ownership'.You are betraying your inner being, your inner spirit, your inner – desire!Thank God… For, by this, we can see who and what you really are!That's it? Of all the scriptures I gave showing that we are Christ's people and we belong to Him you have no scriptural…[Read more]

Quote (princess of the king @ June 12 2010,14:54)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 12 2010,10:39)pok said:Quote Your are taking 'his house' as being christ's house, while throughout the passages, each house spoken of is of the Father's house.pok,You are telling a blatant lie. The “His” is Jesus' house. The text plainly says that Jesus is the builder of…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 12 2010,10:27)Hi KJ, So you say. Instead of devoting yourself to dogma defence why not let scripture teach you?Look at Peter's words in their context. God destroyed the heavens and the earth in Noah's day. After God destroyed the heavens and the earth He made a covenant that He would never destroy the heavens and the…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 12 2010,10:28)Hi KJ, The millenium is one daySome of his listeners would become forever alive in the Spirit.Are you saying that the “millennium” is a literal 24 hours? KJ

pok said:Quote Your are taking 'his house' as being christ's house, while throughout the passages, each house spoken of is of the Father's house.pok,You are telling a blatant lie. The “His” is Jesus' house. The text plainly says that Jesus is the builder of the house. Therefore, it is the Son's own house. Moses was a servant in “His” (Jesus')…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 10 2010,07:37)Hi KJ, One day is as a thousand years. Nick,You misapply Peter's words. He also said that a thousands years is as one day. So by your logic there is no conclusive evidence for a millennium because a thousand years is as one day. Paul told the saints at Rome that satan would be crushed under THEIR feet…[Read more]

Karmarie said:Quote If Peter was talking about it being the end of the old covenant/age and the start of the new covenant/age,  why was he talking of it as still future?k,The new covenant age did not begin until ad70 which was about five years after Peter had written his second epistle. So it was still future when Peter wrote the epistle. He had…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 11 2010,10:08)Hi KJ, There is no trinity god. That speculation arose among the carnal who did not Know God or His Son.Nick,Please let t8 answer. Every once in a while it comes to me that he has not explained his discrepancy. Let him explain please.thanks,KJ

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 11 2010,10:08)Hi KJ, There is no trinity god. That speculation arose among the carnal who did not Know God or His Son.Nick,Please let t8 answer. Every once in a while it comes to me that he has not explained his discrepancy. Let him explain please.thanks,KJ

FROM PAGE 253 OF THE TRINITY 2 THREAD:Lightenup said:Quote Thinker,The main thing in the Sonship of Christ is that throughout His existence, He has been the Son of GOD in every step whether it be as one who GOD created through or as the one who GOD revealed Himself to man through or as the one who calls us brethren because He was the first of many…[Read more]

BUMPED FROM SEPTEMBER 13 2009Okay t8,I almost forgot that you never answered how Jesus could be God “qualitatively” without being God.Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 13 2009,09:16)Quote (thethinker @ Sep. 12 2009,13:37)t8's source says:Quote But can we really read the word 'Theos' in John 1:1c as qualitative rather using it to refer to an identity?…[Read more]