ED J said:Quote Apparently you haven't done your homework thoroughly enough!  Strong's Greek # 758ἄρχων archón: chief (ruler), magistrate, prince, ruler.Once again the AKJV has Rev.1:5 translated correctly!ED J,Strong indicates that “archon” is from # 757 which means “to be first in rank.” Then he defines “archon” itself as “first in rank or p…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 17 2010,04:41)Quote (Lightenup @ June 15 2010,00:46)It seems here in this verse that what Roo thinks Jesus is, the 'we' in this verse really are and not Jesus:James 1:18NET ©By his sovereign plan he gave us birth 1  through the message of truth, that we would be a kind of firstfruits of all he created.NIV ©He ch…[Read more]

FROM THE PROTOKOS THREAD:Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 16 2010,18:31)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 16 2010,13:28)His name is YHVH and He is the ONLY One with that name, no matter how you, Paul and Roo try to twist the scriptures.What scriptural texts have I twisted? The list them and describe exactly how they have been twisted by me.Or retract this baseless…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 16 2010,18:31)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 16 2010,13:28)His name is YHVH and He is the ONLY One with that name, no matter how you, Paul and Roo try to twist the scriptures.What scriptural texts have I twisted? The list them and describe exactly how they have been twisted by me.Or retract this baseless allegation.Then there is…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 16 2010,18:31)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 16 2010,13:28)His name is YHVH and He is the ONLY One with that name, no matter how you, Paul and Roo try to twist the scriptures.What scriptural texts have I twisted? The list them and describe exactly how they have been twisted by me.Or retract this baseless…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 16 2010,10:26)Hi KJ, You look at scripture with worldly eyes and wonder why you cannot align things?So you have to speculate and imagine realities intellectually. Satan's hold was loosened at the coming of the king. Join the kingdom and begin to crush him under your feet too. If you are not with us you are against us. No…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ June 16 2010,10:05)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 16 2010,09:23)ED J said:Quote Rev.1:5: And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, (FIRST in rank after YHVH)ED J,I noticed how your definition of “Israel” morphed in such a short time. Originally you said that it meant “prince WITH God.” Then I showed you that the word “archon”…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 16 2010,10:09)Hi KJ, Logic continues to fail you.The prophecies of Revelation are not yet fulfilled.Hmmmm…. The opening remarks in the Revelation say it contains the things which will come to pass “SHORTLY” (1:3).Please answer the chronology: binding, loosing, judgment, punishment. Jesus said that the judgment of satan…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 15 2010,10:32)hi KJ, Was he ? Or will he be??By your dogmas maybe but they are not truth are they?It says that the ANCIENT serpent was bound. This links the binding of satan to time of the garden. Furthermore, Jesus said that satan's judgment was NOW. Does this not put the binding in the past? The chronological order of…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 16 2010,09:40)Hi KJ, Is your need to start new, perhaps trivial threads, all just diversion from the elephant in the room, the trinity folly?Nick,It would be nice if you would answer why Isaiah speaks of the presence of sin and death in the new earth (65-66). Then I would know that you are teachable.KJ

Karmarie,For your benefit I have revived a thread I started months ago called “Isaiah's new earth.” Please review it.KJ

For Karmarie,K,Please read my posts throughout this thread. Isaiah's new earth is clearly not what the futurists say it will be. This is because they do not understand the book of Revelation.KJ

Quote (karmarie @ June 13 2010,12:20)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 13 2010,08:01)Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 12 2010,15:19)Hi KM, Yes the old heavens and earth flee away at the time of judgement.Jesus said “NOW is the judgment of this world.” So the judgment is not in the future. The old heaven and earth (Israel under the old covenant) did indeed…[Read more]

ED J said:Quote Rev.1:5: And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, (FIRST in rank after YHVH)ED J,I noticed how your definition of “Israel” morphed in such a short time. Originally you said that it meant “prince WITH God.” Then I showed you that the word “archon” means “FIRST in rank” and your definition of “Israel” mystically and…[Read more]

ED J said:Quote Israel means “Prince with God”; and Jesus most certainly is! Our YHVH=117 is Forever Our King (Psalm 10:16 / Psalm 29:10) and Jesus is Forever Our Prince (Rev.1:5 / Heb. 2:17 / Heb.3:1-3).I knew you that would eventually come around; God bless you Jack!Huh? I did not say that Jesus is a “prince.” I said that He is the “ultimate…[Read more]

Mike said to Is. 1:18:Quote Because you, like Jack and Keith, have used the “monogenes has nothing to do with Jesus' beginning” line.  I put proof positive in all your faces (actually, WJ did) Is. 1:18 replied:Quote No you gave us an appeal to authority akin to John Smith is a noted cosmologist, he once claimed the earth was flat therefore the…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 16 2010,03:56)Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 15 2010,03:23)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 15 2010,19:11)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 15 2010,13:44)He's just scared, Dennison.  It's okay.  He ran away once, so he definitely doesn't want to be locked in a cage with me again.      Mike,Was David God's firstborn or not (Ps. 89)? the…[Read more]

Mikeboll said to Is. 1:18Quote “I am” is not the translation of YHVH.  Did Jesus ever say he was the “I will be who I will be”? Is. 1:18 replied:Quote “I will be who I will be”” is not used in the NT at all, so your point is not a cogent one. “I am” is an appelative used of YHWH in Isaiah 41:4, 43:10 and 46:4. It's rendered “ego eimi” in the…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 15 2010,20:16)Hi KJ, Where would you be without THEREFORE?God is the ultimate first and last whence life begins and from whom there is eternal life in his Spirit.Where would Paul be without “therefore.” He used the word over 100 times in his writings. KJ

Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 15 2010,20:40)This should be interesting…I look forward to reading a structured debate where questions must be addressed and answered without equivocation.Paul, Yeah man! The more I thought about this the better I liked it. Mike will be held accountable if he tries his equivocation and shenanigans like, “David was God's…[Read more]