TO MIKE:Mike,I over reacted in calling you a bald faced liar. I will apologize for that. I am still burning from your false accusations that I said that Jesus is above His Father. You falsely accused me of this at the beginning of our debate and again near the end. The second time you even included WJ and said that we are both blasphemers. I…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ June 18 2010,13:10)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 15 2010,05:50)Kathi said:Quote The Son didn't stop being a son to become a son in the flesh.It was by becoming flesh that Jesus became a Son. Paul said that he was “born according to the seed of David and decreed to be the Son of God” (Rom. 1).Jesus could not have neen God's Son before…[Read more]

Mikeboll said:Quote I am also having trouble figuring out what he meant when he said the Father was the “begetter of the only begotten Son”.Mike, Eusebius was struggling in his Christology. My textbook sources indicate that he was very concerned about being a peacemaker of Trinitarians and Arians. He wanted them to get along. And I have seen men…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 18 2010,13:01)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 18 2010,02:41)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 16 2010,22:35)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 17 2010,05:44)What is being disputed is Mike and Kathi insist that the words “firstborn” (prōtotokos) and “begotten” (monogenes) in reference to Jesus is proof that he had a beginning or better…[Read more]

Is.1:18 said to Mikeboll:Quote Why does Paul use the prase “so-called” in reference to gods here? If they were real gods (which is your contention) doesn't Paul's choice of phrase refute this?Ooooh that smarts! KJ

Quote (t8 @ June 18 2010,12:51)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 18 2010,12:48)“And the God of peace shall crush satan under YOUR feet SHORTLY” (Rom. 16:20).Crushing Satan under our feet is not the same as Satan being thrown into the Lake of Fire. The whole world is still under the sway of the evil one. We are in the world, but the evil one touches us…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ June 18 2010,12:43)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 17 2010,13:39)Why can't we go question by question?  I ask one.  He answers and asks one of his own?  mikeHi Mike,That's exactly what I told WJ Here –>(Third Post). but he ran from me.”Bible Truth” is hard to refute, so the 'only option' is run. (James 4:7)God blessEd J <…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ June 18 2010,10:51)Hi KJ.Satan is in the Lake of Fire and we are in the new earth?You poor man. You have no hope then, as your hope is this world. Are you a Christadelphian or something?Come om t8!Sin, death and sinners are present in the new earth according to Isaiah's account (Is. 65-66). Please engage with me from the whole counsel…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 18 2010,11:51)I didn't realise there was a list, where is it?Paul,The list is on page 5 of our debate 2nd post down. The four I have disqualified have already beaten to death and two of them are presently being discussed in Scripture and Biblical Doctrine (protokos and begotten).Jack

Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 18 2010,09:02)Hi SF,I suggest you just go ahead and pick a topic and get this thing kicked off.Any topic on Mike's existing list except the four I indicated. We have beat those in to the ground already and it will be nothing but repetition and a waste of time again. Or any topic Mike wants to discuss about Christ's divinity…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 18 2010,02:41)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 16 2010,22:35)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 17 2010,05:44)What is being disputed is Mike and Kathi insist that the words “firstborn” (prōtotokos) and “begotten” (monogenes) in reference to Jesus is proof that he had a beginning or better yet that an asexual God brings birth to…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 18 2010,07:54)Hi KJ, The reason we have concordances is so we can see the various meanings words can have. Choosing one you like is never going to be correct spirituallyNick,What has this to do with what I said? All those God called His “firstborn” in the old testament were already members of the human race. Jesus was no…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 18 2010,02:56)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 16 2010,22:51)Quote (JustAskin @ June 17 2010,06:17)Thanks for that – I do think that it is time that these “blocking” issues are put to bed.Even if Jesus was speaking in some kind of a prophetic past tense,(which would seem weird since he also told Nicodemus that the Son of Man…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 18 2010,06:46)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 18 2010,05:58)TO SIMPLY FORGIVEN:I can't believe Mike man! Before I debate him again you have to get him honest. Note that he said that the first point of discussion I picked in the debate was “pasa ktisis.” Quote Roo picked the first point of discussion, “pasa ktisis” which…[Read more]

TO SIMPLY FORGIVEN:I can't believe Mike man! Before I debate him again you have to get him honest. Note that he said that the first point of discussion I picked in the debate was “pasa ktisis.” Quote Roo picked the first point of discussion, “pasa ktisis” which grew into including “monogenes”.  This is a bald faced lie! Please go to page 5 of the…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 18 2010,04:16)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 17 2010,12:03)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 18 2010,03:26)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 15 2010,19:51)Hi WJ,You're getting closer to being completely honest.  You said:Quote What proof? That a questionable Arian supporter may have suggested that Jesus had a beginning.Now if you…[Read more]

Mikeboll said:Quote It can't be done.  So instead of letting Is 1:18 win the point, I challenged him to prove from scripture that Jesus is the Son of Man.  As far as I know, it can't be done either.What! Is Mike really serious? Jesus expressly declared that He Himself is the Son of Man.13 When Jesus came into the region of Caesarea Philippi, He a…[Read more]

Mikeboll said:Quote It can't be done.  So instead of letting Is 1:18 win the point, I challenged him to prove from scripture that Jesus is the Son of Man.  As far as I know, it can't be done either.What! Is Mike really serious? Jesus expressly declared that He Himself is the Son of Man.13 When Jesus came into the region of Caesarea Philippi, He a…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 18 2010,03:26)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 15 2010,19:51)Hi WJ,You're getting closer to being completely honest.  You said:Quote What proof? That a questionable Arian supporter may have suggested that Jesus had a beginning.Now if you take the final leap and admit that there is no doubt about what Eusebius DID suggest in…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 17 2010,15:16)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 17 2010,06:14)Paul said that it was Christ they tempted. (1 cor. 10:9). Ergo….How do you figure that?  Just curious.  The Greek says “kurios” in my interlinear.And this is the first to third person wording Jesus uses.  He must have learned this also from his Father and God. Matthe…[Read more]