Quote (SimplyForgiven @ July 12 2010,06:05)Quote I don't care if the thread is “clean” or not. This is a public debate and therefore all  issues should be dealt with publically unless Mike disagrees.No this is called  Structered Debate, if it was Public than all should be able to post and comment. The reason i ask for you to Pm me is so that you d…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 12 2010,07:11)Hi Jack,Everything EXCEPT the debate should be pm'd IMO.  You just got a free “mini-rebuttal” because you posted publically.mikeOkay Mike. Post deleted. It was not an free mini rebuttal because it was repetition.Jack

TWOT page 44:Quote “But a better reason can be seen in Scripture itself where, in the very first chapter of Gen, the necessity of a term both conveying the unity of the one God and yet allowing for a plurality of persons is found (Gen 1:2, 26) This is further borne out by the fact that the form 'elohim occurs only in Hebrew and in no other Semitic…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 11 2010,11:02)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 11 2010,10:29)Mikeboll said:Quote Where is the word yalad in this verse?You need to go to your nearest trinitarian bookstore and acquire the Strong's Concordance. The words “brought forth” in Is. 23:4 is the Hebrew “yalad” (Strong's# 3205).the RooI've got Strong's online.  I beat…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 11 2010,10:59)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 11 2010,10:23)So the sea literally gave birth to children. First they literally came from the wombs of women and then again they literally came from the womb of the sea and were also taught by the sea? You're sinking into the sea Mike!So the land actually “vomitted out” people?…[Read more]

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Quote (SimplyForgiven @ July 11 2010,19:26)Why should Mike have answered 2 in 1 post? Simply becuase KJ did not ask another question in his 3rd rebuttal therefore, he discarded his turn in questions in the 3rd rebuttal, so thats why he had the ability to ask 2 questions in his 2nd rebuttal.  on rebuttle 4 i believe he can ask another question or…[Read more]

REBBUTTAL# 3:Mikeboll said:Quote This is frustrating for me, and I would ask that Dennison request Jack to list the scripture(s) that support his claim that Jesus “SPOKE all things into being” or refrain from using “conjecture paraphrases” from now on.Reply:TO ALL: The Father is never called “the Word” in the new testament. Jesus alone is called…[Read more]

Mikeboll said:Quote While you are the one saying that words that actually mean “every creature” mean something else and so the burden of proof is on you, I'll give Rev 5 as my proof.  “Every creature IN HEAVEN……”  Mankind does not live IN HEAVEN, or IN THE SEA, or UNDER THE EARTH.I have proved it Mike. Verse 23 says that the gospel was p…[Read more]

Mikeboll said:Quote Where is the word yalad in this verse?You need to go to your nearest trinitarian bookstore and acquire the Strong's Concordance. The words “brought forth” in Is. 23:4 is the Hebrew “yalad” (Strong's# 3205).the Roo

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 11 2010,08:05)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 11 2010,05:53)But Jesus became a man and was on probation just like the first Adam. Sorry Mike! And yalad in the Qal has reference to figurative birth:4 Be ashamed, O Sidon, and you, O fortress of the sea,      for the sea has spoken:      “I have neither been in labor nor given…[Read more]

Mikeboll said:Quote I should have said, (when he was no longer a FLESH AND BLOOD man)I am glad you made the adjustment. I am sincere in saying this.Jack

Mikeboll said:Quote Unfortunately for you, it isn't LIMITED TO MANKIND.Now all you need to do is PROVE IT!Words that are repeatedly used in a given context retain the same meaning throughout that context. Verse 23 clearly indicates that “pasa ktisis” is LIMITED TO MANKIND. It means the same thing in verse 15 and you CANNOT disprove it.At least you…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 11 2010,05:09)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 11 2010,04:51)Mike,No my words do not imply that. Jesus said that the Father loved Him BECAUSE He lays down His life for the sheep. I said that the Father's love was “perfected” in raising Him from the dead.Anyway, the word “yalad” in the Qal clearly has reference to figurative…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 11 2010,04:32)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 10 2010,04:35)Mike:Quote If it meant “relationship of love”, then in your view, when Jesus was raised he became “loved by God”,Absolutely! Jesus said that His Father loved Him because He layed down His life for the sheep (John 10:17). The Father's love was perfected by raising Him…[Read more]

Mike,So Jesus is the firstborn of all mankind after all! Note your words in blue below. Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 10 2010,17:27)Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 10 2010,17:17)Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom Yes Nick,Now add that thought to 1 Cor 15 and you will begin to understand that Jesus is still the man who is mediator between us and God,…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ July 10 2010,13:15)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 10 2010,04:23)WJ said to KJ:Quote But he still thinks that if there is no water in the glass then that does not prove there is no water in the glass because there could be water in the glass!      WJ      JackThats called a “pontential” arguementlike can God be healer if pa…[Read more]

Quote (Oxy @ July 10 2010,09:48)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 10 2010,02:53)Oxy……….Nick is right in this brother, Jesus was Begotten by GOD at the Jordan river when He recieved the HOLY Spirit of GOD (INTO) HIM. God impregnated Him with HOLY SEED that Day. ” THIS DAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU” ,  After he was baptized in the Jordan He was sent into…[Read more]

WJ said to KJ:Quote But he still thinks that if there is no water in the glass then that does not prove there is no water in the glass because there could be water in the glass!      WJ      Jack

REBUTTAL# 2Mike said:Quote He only offers the misrepresentation that the NT says Jesus is the Word who “spoke all things into being” as his proof.Reply:Mike did not answer Hebrews 1:8-10 where the Father Himself said that Jesus created the heavens and the earth with His “own hands.”I said:Quote The New Testament says that Jesus alone is the “Word”…[Read more]