Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 18 2010,04:16)Hi AllMikes own words seem to change as he goes along.Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 25 2010,22:22)I CANNOT EVEN COME CLOSE TO PROVING JESUS WAS THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD PRIOR TO HIS COMING IN FLESH WITH ONLY THE FACT THAT HE WASN'T CALLED THAT UNTIL HE CAME IN THE FLESH.  AND I WILLINGLY ADMIT THAT.…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 18 2010,03:57)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 17 2010,11:02)[No matter how you define it, it always comes up the same:  The Son is ALWAYS BEGOTTEN BY THE FATHER, AND THE FATHER IS “UNBEGOTTEN”, AND THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOWHERE IN THE PICTURE.  If that doesn't spell out a difference between the two entities of Jesus and God, I…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 18 2010,04:39)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 17 2010,12:29)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 18 2010,04:22)Well your friends here disagree with you. That is why they are silent! No, I just don't call Kathi up to say, “Let's go double team WJ!   Maybe if we both yell nonsense at him at once, it'll make that nonsense seem more…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 18 2010,04:36)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 17 2010,12:29)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 18 2010,04:22)Well your friends here disagree with you. That is why they are silent! No, I just don't call Kathi up to say, “Let's go double team WJ!   Maybe if we both yell nonsense at him at once, it'll make that nonsense seem more…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 18 2010,04:36)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 17 2010,12:29)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 18 2010,04:22)Well your friends here disagree with you. That is why they are silent! No, I just don't call Kathi up to say, “Let's go double team WJ!   Maybe if we both yell nonsense at him at once, it'll make that nonsense seem more…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 18 2010,04:34)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 17 2010,12:25)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 18 2010,04:20)But the truth is in the scritpures and their given context!Amen to that!And when you are done playing games, you are about to get an education about that in our debate.mikeWJ  the Roo

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 18 2010,04:06)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 17 2010,11:58)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 18 2010,03:41)Why do you insist in propagating your own theories over the Scriptures?Not just my theories WJ,The “greatest Greek teacher” and “most learned theologian of his day” agrees with “my theory”.How does your understanding fit…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 18 2010,04:01)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 18 2010,03:44)By the term “begotten before all ages” Calvin meant that the Son of God was eternal.Well, the Father is eternal.  When is the Father ever said to be “begotten”?Think, man think.And no one cares what any of these MEN think.  We only care how the Greek words were u…[Read more]

Bump for Mike and KathiQuote (mikeboll64 @ July 18 2010,02:34)Quote (Lightenup @ July 17 2010,16:25)Hi all,Here is what Calvin wrote about the Col 1 'firstborn':Quote The first-born of every creature. The reason of this appellation is immediately added — For in him all things are created, as he is, three verses afterwards, called the f…[Read more]

Kathi and Mike,See my post above on Calvin. You've been caught revising history. I have some of Calvin's commentaries in my personal library. the Roo

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 18 2010,02:34)Quote (Lightenup @ July 17 2010,16:25)Hi all,Here is what Calvin wrote about the Col 1 'firstborn':Quote The first-born of every creature. The reason of this appellation is immediately added — For in him all things are created, as he is, three verses afterwards, called the first-begotten from the dead, b…[Read more]

WJ said to Mikeboll:Quote As far as beating me over the head with Ignatius, his point has nothing to do with what you say, for no where does Ignatius or any Trinitarian believe that Jesus had a beginning before he came in the flesh.Keith,Mike assumes that he and Ignatius mean the same thing by terms used. Mike “beats” over the head with what men…[Read more]

Nick,Click below and watch video before you serve your canned reply. The contents are undisputable!http://www.ad70.tv/video/29/complete-you-ve-gotta-be-kidding-rightKJ

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 17 2010,11:50)Hi KJ, Sort of frog like spirits of deception?Afraid you might be proven wrong eh Nick?KJ

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 17 2010,13:37)Hi, Further proof that there has never been a shortage of fools and their follies.Further proof that Nick has nothing more to offer then his canned replies.Jesus said that the destruction of Jerusalem was the fulfillment of ALL things.Nick has yet to make an attempt to disprove Preterism scripturally.KJ

Quote (942767 @ July 17 2010,12:08)Matthew  24:11And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. Quote Matthew 24:29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30And then shall…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ July 17 2010,12:08)Matthew  24:11And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. Quote Matthew 24:29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30And then shall…[Read more]

JustAskin said to WJ:Quote The answer, WJ, is the equivalent in that language of 'I AM' (Or 'I will be').God said 'That is my name forever'.God as JA defines Him did not say that “I will be” was His name forever.” it is God as trinitarians define Him who said it.It was the Messenger of YHWH who said that “I will be” is “My name forever.” Quote Exod…[Read more]

REBUTTAL# 5Mike:Quote I am still waiting for a scripture that actually says, “Jesus SPOKE all things into being”, or for Jack to admit there is none.My reply:The law of necessary inference applies.Quote There are two kinds of inferences. “Reasonable” inferences suggest a likely possibility. For example, if one hears thunder and sees lightning, he…[Read more]

REBUTTAL# 4:Mike said:Quote Jack says the NT has scripture that says “Jesus SPOKE all things into being”.  I submit there is no such scripture and ask that he list said scripture.My reply:Again, John 1:1-3 EXPLICITLY says that the “Word” was in the beginning with God and that all things came into being by Him. The Greek “logos” comes from the…[Read more]