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    Mikeboll said:Quote All formerly dead will have to be given back their spirit including their memories,A spirit that ceases to exist is gone forever. Therefore, this memory “transfer” would be given to a totally new and different spirit that God would have to create. This newly created spirit would have the memory of my suffering without the…[Read more]

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    Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 28 2010,10:59)As I understand it, the Sadducees simply didn't believe in a ressurection.  Where do you find support for your claim, Jack?Half truth! A half truth is a WHOLE lie! The Sadducees also denied that the spirit continued to exist after death. Their denial of the resurrection was the consequence of their denial…[Read more]

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    Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 28 2010,10:40)Quote (JustAskin @ July 28 2010,10:26)And these guys say they worship God Almighty?Yep, all three of them!  :D JA, you are so right on this.  The spirit goes back to Him who gave it in the first place.  If that meant Jesus never fully died because God was able to replace his spirit back into him, then no man ev…[Read more]

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    JustAskin said:Quote Death means that the Spirit cannot takes an active part in anything in heaven or on earth.Chapter and verse please. Put up or….!JA:Quote This is the spirit that is in man, the same spirit that was in Jesus.After death the spirits of men went to sheol to await the resurrection. Jesus said to the thief, “Today you will be with…[Read more]

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    t8 said:Quote OK, I see that. But I disagree that it is appropriate or right in this case. It is easy to see that Jesus is revealing the true one and we know that Jesus didn't come to reveal himself or to talk on his own behalf, but that he came to reveal his Father to us and his Father is his God and the true God. We know this from other verses.I…[Read more]

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    Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 28 2010,09:10)Quote (Lightenup @ July 27 2010,16:47)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 27 2010,16:32)Quote (Lightenup @ July 28 2010,07:55)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 27 2010,10:59)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 28 2010,02:38)KathiQuote (Lightenup @ July 26 2010,18:47)He didn't say the I and the Father “am” one.No that…[Read more]

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    Kathi said:Quote I especially can relate to C.S. Lewis here:According to C.S. Lewis, “To beget is to become the father of: to create is to make. And the difference is this. When you beget, you beget something of the same kind as yourself. But when you make, you make something of a different kind from yourself. What God begets is God; just as what…[Read more]

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    Quote (Lightenup @ July 28 2010,07:55)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 27 2010,10:59)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 28 2010,02:38)KathiQuote (Lightenup @ July 26 2010,18:47)He didn't say the I and the Father “am” one.No that would be improper english.But he did say I and the Father “are one” not “are one” in unity. But he also said he was the “I am”,…[Read more]

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    KangarooJack replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 15 years, 7 months ago

    Davidbfun said:Quote From your own proofs the son cannot be his Father.  However, he would look like Him.David,Show a statement inwhich WJ or I said that the Son is the Father. We have said that the Son is God with the Father. Take off your Unitarian glasses for a moment. the Roo

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    KangarooJack replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 15 years, 7 months ago

    Davidbfun said:Quote From your own proofs the son cannot be his Father.  However, he would look like Him.David,Show a statement inwhich WJ or I said that the Son is the Father. We have said that the Son is God with the Father. Take off your Unitarian glasses for a moment. the Roo

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    KangarooJack replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 15 years, 7 months ago

    Davidbfun said:Quote You don't realize that God isn't metaphysical.  Just because you say so doesn't make it soYou have in essence said that God does not have being. Hebrews 1 says that Jesus is the EXACT representation of God's substance. The word “exact” is the Greek “charakter” which means “indistinguishable.”In other words, if the Father and…[Read more]

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    KangarooJack replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 15 years, 7 months ago

    Davidbfun said:Quote You don't realize that God isn't metaphysical.  Just because you say so doesn't make it soYou have in essence said that God does not have being. Hebrews 1 says that Jesus is the EXACT representation of God's substance. The word “exact” is the Greek “charakter” which means “indistinguishable.”In other words, if the Father and…[Read more]

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    KangarooJack replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 15 years, 7 months ago

    Quote (Ed J @ July 28 2010,05:53)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 28 2010,05:46)Quote (Ed J @ July 28 2010,05:37)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 28 2010,05:32)Ed J said:Quote 50% “Son of Man” = “Son of Mary” (Matt.1:18 / Matt:1:20 / Mark 6:3 / Luke 1:35)50% “Son of God” = “Son of The HolySpirit” (Matt. 1:18 / Matt. 1:20 / Luke 1:35)How does one reply to…[Read more]

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    KangarooJack replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 15 years, 7 months ago

    Quote (Ed J @ July 28 2010,05:53)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 28 2010,05:46)Quote (Ed J @ July 28 2010,05:37)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 28 2010,05:32)Ed J said:Quote 50% “Son of Man” = “Son of Mary” (Matt.1:18 / Matt:1:20 / Mark 6:3 / Luke 1:35)50% “Son of God” = “Son of The HolySpirit” (Matt. 1:18 / Matt. 1:20 / Luke 1:35)How does one reply to…[Read more]

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    KangarooJack replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 15 years, 7 months ago

    WorshippingJesus said:Quote So simple men stumble over it. But then again scripures tell us that men would stumble over the Rock of truth.Yes Keith. Jesus is a stumbling stone to those who do not believe. Jack

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    KangarooJack replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 15 years, 7 months ago

    WorshippingJesus said:Quote So simple men stumble over it. But then again scripures tell us that men would stumble over the Rock of truth.Yes Keith. Jesus is a stumbling stone to those who do not believe. Jack

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    KangarooJack replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 15 years, 7 months ago

    Quote (Ed J @ July 28 2010,05:37)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 28 2010,05:32)Ed J said:Quote 50% “Son of Man” = “Son of Mary” (Matt.1:18 / Matt:1:20 / Mark 6:3 / Luke 1:35)50% “Son of God” = “Son of The HolySpirit” (Matt. 1:18 / Matt. 1:20 / Luke 1:35)How does one reply to baby drivel?   the RooHi Jack,Does this mean you reject Bible Truth?Ed J…[Read more]

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    KangarooJack replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 15 years, 7 months ago

    Quote (Ed J @ July 28 2010,05:37)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 28 2010,05:32)Ed J said:Quote 50% “Son of Man” = “Son of Mary” (Matt.1:18 / Matt:1:20 / Mark 6:3 / Luke 1:35)50% “Son of God” = “Son of The HolySpirit” (Matt. 1:18 / Matt. 1:20 / Luke 1:35)How does one reply to baby drivel?   the RooHi Jack,Does this mean you reject Bible Truth?Ed J…[Read more]

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    KangarooJack replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 15 years, 7 months ago

    Davidbfun said:Quote You agreed that the son cannot be the Father and then you add BUT he can be ontologically.You are not the same person as your father but you are the same ontologically. A son is Man like his father. Your father is dust. You are dust. So Jesus is God like His Father. The NEB says, “and what God was the Word was.”the Roo

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    KangarooJack replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 15 years, 7 months ago

    Davidbfun said:Quote You agreed that the son cannot be the Father and then you add BUT he can be ontologically.You are not the same person as your father but you are the same ontologically. A son is Man like his father. Your father is dust. You are dust. So Jesus is God like His Father. The NEB says, “and what God was the Word was.”the Roo

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