Nick said:Quote Since the Law never applied to gentiles and now you say the gentiles were never to be grafted into the olive tree of Israel how or hear the saving message of Jesus do you expect to be saved?Nick,Where did I say that the gentiles were never to be heirs of salvation? I have repeatedly said the Jew “first”. Then the gentiles could be…[Read more]

Copied and pasted from the Preexistence threadMeerkat said:Quote  Just as the word does not necessarily mean I AM it does not mean to become – it seems to mean {to exist}  – so could either be will exist in the future – or always existing   ( when relating to God it would be always existing as we know he has no beginning or end and is et…[Read more]

Nick said:Quote Hi TT,You say”I answered this already. The apostles did not seek out the Gentiles. But they spoke to them if called upon. Jesus told them to “Go NOT in the way of the Gentiles” (Matt. 10:5).”  This was an instruction given to his disciples while he was with them and fulfilling his own mission.When he left he gave them new…[Read more]

Meerkat said:Quote What you are saying makes sense to me  …… I have come across the idea that baptism is a ritual that has no place in the freedom of Christ ………Meerkat,I have finally found someone that gets it. The “repent and be baptized” gospel was for Israel initially. By that message God was laying the foundation for Paul's faith…[Read more]

Nick,I asked you if you believe it is “strange” of me to insist that Christ was crucified “once for all” and that He should be believed upon in this way. Please reply specifically to my question.thanks,thinker

Nick posted:Quote Did God say NEVER go to the gentiles?Did Peter not go to Cornelius on God's instruction?They never went to Gentiles on their own. They obeyed their Lord. And Cornelius was a proselyte, regarded the same as a Jew. Quote Those forgiven by God should only need their feet washed.I don't follow. Please explain.Quote They cannot again…[Read more]

LightenUp said to Martian:Quote You have also asked what happened to His memories if He did pre-exist. Well, not only did the Son of God empty Himself and was made in the likeness of men, He was made in the likeness of a baby which has no memory.Good stuff! YHWH said to Moses, “I shall BECOME what I shall BECOME” (Exodus 3:14).thinker

Nick said:Quote True he first disputed with the Jews?  How does that relate?I answered this already. The apostles did not seek out the Gentiles. But they spoke to them if called upon. Jesus told them to “Go NOT in the way of the Gentiles” (Matt. 10:5).Quote True it does not say the Jailor was a gentile. It also does not say he was Jewish.Exactly!…[Read more]

Seeking said:Quote …the Father is to be followed as an example…Seeking,How is the Father an example to us seeing that He did not live among us???thinker

Greetings Christian friends,I have perused your posts that speak to the issue of being made into the image of Christ. I think you all tend to ride on the wrong track. According to Paul the process of being made into Christ's image involved the transformation from the letter of the law to the spirit of the law. The letter of the law is called the…[Read more]

Quote 17Therefore disputed he in the synagogue with the Jews, and with the devout persons, and in the market daily with them that met with him.Nick,Note that the verse you provided from Acts 17:17 says nothing about going to the Gentiles. It says explicitly that Paul went into the synagogue and disputed “with the Jews”. The Acts 16 passage you…[Read more]

Nick posted:Quote Then listen to Paul preaching to gentiles in AthensGreetings again Nick, Paul was preaching in the synagogue of the Jews and they took him by force to the Areopagus. So he thought, “What the heck, I'll give these guys a lesson on God too”. My point: Paul did not seek on his own initiative to preach in the Areopagus. He was…[Read more]

Hi Nick,The context indicates that the returning again to those elementary principles of Christ amounted to apostasy for the Jew:Quote For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted of the good word of God and the powers of the age to come,…[Read more]

Nick,We know for sure that two of the foundational princiles do not apply today, namely repentance and baptsim. The apostles preached repentance and baptism to Israel alone. It stands to reason that if two of the six foundational principles do not apply then neither do the remaing four. And it stands to reason that the remaing four apply to Israel…[Read more]

Nick,Are you saying now that the teachings were for israel alone? We appear to be in agreement but I want to make sure thinker  p.s. How do I edit my posts on this board? I wanted to correct my spelling in my first two posts and couldn't figure out how. Misspelled words would make thethinker look dumb.

Nick,The authore to the Hebrews associates the elementary teachings of Christ with “dead works”. Quote therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works….It appears that this is saying that the teachings that Christ gave to Israel…[Read more]

Nick postedQuote Co,You tell us the fact Jesus was sent to israel is proof the teachings are not for us.But you offer no support for this idea so it seems your work here is just to be obstructive.The author to the Hebrews admonishe his readers to leave the “elementary” teachings of Christ and to move on to perfection. I would say that the…[Read more]