Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 11 2010,05:18)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 08 2010,18:41)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 09 2010,08:44)As you can tell, to be made finished is one of the definitions.  Now let's see how the heavens and the earth were not yet finished until after day one when Light came.Hi Kathi,I can live with that.  Let's see if anyone else h…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 11 2010,05:18)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 08 2010,18:41)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 09 2010,08:44)As you can tell, to be made finished is one of the definitions.  Now let's see how the heavens and the earth were not yet finished until after day one when Light came.Hi Kathi,I can live with that.  Let's see if anyone else h…[Read more]

Kathi said;Quote Would someone like to fill the roo in on the fact that asexual reproduction means without sex.Would someone like to fill Kathi in on the fact that Christ was begotten at His resurrection and this was not a “reproduction” of any kind? While you're at it please fill Kathi in on the fact that when the Rock (Jesus) “begat” (yalad)…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 11 2010,05:13)Here is what Tertullian says about the oneness of God:Quote He says, then, that there is no God besides Himself in respect of the idolatry both of the Gentiles as well as of Israel; nay, even on account of our heretics also, who fabricate idols with their words, just as the heathen do with their hands; that is…[Read more]

Davidbfun said to Mike:Quote What you said about 'Echad is true.David, What Mike said about “echad” is NOT true. The word “echad” comes from the word “achad” which means “to unify” (see Strong's# 259-259). At least two persons are needed in order for a unification to take place.Echad is the word used in reference to the man and the woman becoming…[Read more]

Quote Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one! You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your strength. a. Hear, O Israel: In Hebrew, these verses are known as the Shema (“hear” in Hebrew). It is the classic Hebrew confession of faith, describing who God is and what our duty is towards Him…[Read more]

Adam Clarke on YHWH/Christ in 1 Corinthians 10:9:Quote I have already supposed, in Clarke's note on “1Co 10:4”, that Christ is intended by the spiritual rock that followed them: and that it was he, not the rock, that did follow or accompany the Israelites in the wilderness. This was the angel of God's presence who was with the Church in the…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 11 2010,02:30)WJ………..You are right Calvinist are indeed Trinitarians and Preexistence both they are they Daughters of the Catholic Church. Peace and love……………………….geneGene,I appreciate your honesty regarding the historical facts. Kathi has sold her soul.KJ

TO ALL:Even the Muslims reject Kathi's and Mike's assertion that Christ was begotten by a sexual act of God:Quote In the Qur'an we find various passages protesting against a notion of “begetting” for God, for example He begetteth not, nor is he begotten.And there is none like unto Him. Sura 112:3-4 Many Muslims make statements like the following,…[Read more]

Calvin on “today I have begotten you” in Psalm 2:7:Quote On this account, we ought the more carefully to beware of wickedly refusing the edict which he publishes, Thou art my Son. David, indeed could with propriety be called the son of God on account of his royal dignity, just as we know that princes, because they are elevated above others, are…[Read more]

TO ALL: Please note that in 1 Corinthians 10:9 the “oldest” and “good” manuscripts say that the people tempted CHRIST. Deuteronomy 6:16 says that they tempted YHWH. Therefore, Christ is the YHWH of Deuteronomy 6:16. Quote 9 Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.9. tempt Christ-So the oldest…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Aug. 08 2010,08:19)Click on the “Forgotten your password and/or log in details? Click here!”link in the log in page.Fill out the required info (username I think) and the password will be sent to you.Thanks t8! I did what you said to begin with and it did not work so I posted the problem. But I did not try more than once. After doing it…[Read more]

TO ALL:Deuteronomy 6:4 teaches that God is a PLURAL UNITY and verse 16 is a reference to YHWH Jesus (cf 1 Cor. 10:9).Q: In Dt 6:4, since God is “One”, what about the Trinity? A: Here are some of the words for one used in the Old Testament. chad: simply means “one” and is rarely used. ‘ishshah: one, each, every, female ‘oysh: a man or an ind…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 08 2010,18:18)Look what else Tertullian says:Quote 200 AD Tertullian "hen God says, 'Let there be light' , this is the perfect nativity of the Word, while he is proceeding from God. . . . Thus, the Father makes him equal to himself, and the Son, by proceeding from him, was made the first-begotten, since he was begotten…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 08 2010,10:53)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 08 2010,10:34)I am an educated man holding a diploma and a degree and many post graduate credits.Hi Jack,You make the above statement, and then fault ME for expecting more from you?   And you are right, God did say there have been no other God's before or after him.  But even God s…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 08 2010,08:55)Done – Mod Squad   Jack, neither of those quotes say anything about Jesus being God Almighty.  And the one about "God said…." isn't even scriptural.  Are these the knuckleheads that you wish to follow?mikeMike,You need to read the sources again CAREFULLY. Reading sources carefully is not one of your st…[Read more]

REBUTTAL# 9:Mike said:Quote I have shown from archaeological evidence that the predecessors of the Hebrews used a plural of majesty.  Jack has not refuted this concrete evidence.Reply;Mike has not shown that the predacessors to the Hebrews used the plural of majesty in regards to “elohim” because no other language used the word “elohim.” All Mike…[Read more]

Mikeboll said:Quote KJ and WJ don't want Psalm 2:7 to really mean “begotten” because that would shoot down their trinity doctrine if Jesus had a beginning.  And they will twist scriptures and tell half-truths and do anything else they can to make new students like us be swayed to their way of thinking.Mikey does not want Acts 13:33 to mean that…[Read more]

WorshippingJesus said to Mikeboll:Quote What does “BORN AND UNBORN” mean Mikey? Keith,Words mean whatever “Mikey” needs them to mean when he needs.Jack

Quote (Arnold @ Aug. 04 2010,07:31)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 04 2010,07:19)Quote (Arnold @ Aug. 03 2010,15:03)Again and in Proverbs 8:22-30 also explains it how God brought forth His Son,and He was called the master craftsman.  Wisdom is an essence of God and it simple does not make sense that God would bring forth Wisdom, when He was wise…[Read more]