Hmmmm…..Let's think about this. Jesus said, “I come NOT to call the righteous but sinners to repentance”. Now you all say that Luther and Calvin were dirty rotten sinners but you yourselves are righteous. Who did Jesus come to save? Certainly not the righteous.thinker

Chosenone said:Quote Good point, that Gods truth was revealed progressively.  Nick seems to think that no new truths have been revealed since he, Jesus, preached “the gospel of the kingdom”.  He believes , in error, that Pauls epistles are just a repeat of the “kingdom” gospel, when in fact it is a new gospel, the gospel of “the grace of G…[Read more]

Martian said:Quote You spoke to me about posting scripture within context. The context of Phil 2 that you site saying Jesus emptied himself is about attitude not deity.Secondly the fact that Jesus was in the form of God does not denote deity. We are all created in the image of God which means form.The expression “form of God” in Philippians 2 has…[Read more]

Martian said:Quote But there is the crux of the matter. Others on hee have said that Christ maintained memories and experiances from his pre-existence into his life on earth. It is memories, knowledge and experiances that mold our character and motivate our decission making. This would give Christ a trememdous advantage over the rest of us and yet…[Read more]

Martian said:Quote Just exactly who died and made you God. What arogance to think you can judge my motives. I thought that was God's job. Tell me is usurping the position exclusive to God something you do often.Martian,I apologize for my provocative statements. Please forgive me. I took it personal when you said that you don't have the time or…[Read more]

Kerwin said:Quote The Old Covenant or Law did not pass away according to the passage from Galatians I am quoting it cannot pass away but it is fulfilled by the conception, life, death, and resurrection of Jesus The Messiah. Kerwin,You left something out in reference to the fulfillment of the old covenant and the bringing in of the new. Moses…[Read more]

Kerwin wrote:Quote I do know that hyssop was used in some cleansing rituals and Mosses did sprinkle the Hebrew people when they entered the Old Covenant which does give sprinkling a plausible argument for being the way to enter the New Covenant except that the Greek writers decided to use a word meaning immerse or dip instead of using…[Read more]

chosenone said”Quote But all WILL believe at the “consummation”.   1.Cor.15:23-28   …23 Yet each in his own class: the Firstfruit, Christ; thereupon those who are Christ's in His presence;24 thereafter the consummation, whenever He may be giving up the kingdom to His God and Father, whenever He should be nullifying all sovereignty and all a…[Read more]

before time wrote:Quote Your comment…..When Jesus does come with His army of Angels to “tread the wine press of the fierce wrath of God the Almighty,” the entire world will know it.  Then, as the Scripture recounts, “then all the tribes of the earth will mourn.”  (Matthew 24:30)  I see no record of this event happening in 70CE.It says that “all th…[Read more]

Nick said:Quote The book of hebrews is not written to religious Jews of the OT but those who have become members of the body of Christ.In that body there is neither Jew nor gentile.And we one with them and teachings for them are also for us.We too need to have these foundations laid solidly so God can build us up furtherNick, The book of Hebrews…[Read more]

Consider also that the disciples asked Jesus to give them the signs that would herald the end of the “aion”.Quote What is the sign of your coming and the end of the age ? If it means “forever” then how could the disciples ask about its end?thinker

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 26 2009,14:58)CO,Rom3 21But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:All do not believeNick,Your point being…?thinker

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 27 2009,06:31)Hi TT, You say”Peter must have sprinkled because the hostile Jews were present ” Should speculation be added to scripture?Nick,I was not speculating. I was leading Kerwin to draw the necessary conclusion on his own. Sprinkling was the mode of baptism under Moses. The water was applied with a hyssop branch.…[Read more]

Quote (chosenone @ Jan. 27 2009,06:10)Thanks “thethinker”,  much appreciated.  There are some that don't realise that Pauls epistles “completed” the word of God, (Col.1:25).Chosenone,I was not aware of the Colossains 1:25 statement. Thanks again.BTW, people don't want to accept that God's truth was revealed progressively. They think that all was t…[Read more]

Nick said:Quote Some teachings are foundational as shown in Heb 6 but who would attempt to build anything further if the foundations are discarded?Okay Nick. I will change my wording. The foundation was not “discarded” as I said. It was FINISHED.Once a  builder has finished laying the foundation he doesn't go back to it. He builds upon it. Why do…[Read more]

Martian said:Quote I do not have the time nor patience to teach you the influince of Hebrew culture on the writers of scripture. If you are interested I would suggest you start with this web page. You might want to do some exploring throughout the entire web site as I have found it to be a good one.Martian,Your lack of time and patience really…[Read more]

Nick said:Quote So the gospel entrusted to Paul is of the teaching of Jesus Christ is of the revelation of the Kingdom of God. No new gospel.Nick,Paul's gospel was NOT teaching of Jesus Christ. It was the revelation of Christ to him while he was in prison. The “teachings” of Jesus Christ were those “elementary” doctrines He taught His disciples…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 27 2009,05:43)Nick……….i fail to see the logic in that statement. The whole world need to be conciliated by GOD to Himself. It is a universal conciliatory work. God is the Savior of all His creation, and does it in his own way and time. IMOpeace………………….geneGene,Maybe you fail to see Nick's point…[Read more]

Nick said:Quote We in Christ have been given the ministry of conciliation or reconciliationIf universalism was true such ministry would not be necessary.Excellent point Nick! No degree in rocket science is needed to know this.thinker

Kerwin wrote:Quote I speak about immersion because the root word for baptism as it has evolved from the Greek word baptisma that means dipping or washing in water.  The word has just become confused over time as it has been applied to many methods of conversion.Greetings Kerwin,I ususally try to stay away from discussing the mode of baptism…[Read more]