942767 said:Quote This says leaving “the principles of the doctrine of Christ”, and you say that this refers to Old Covenant principles?  Marty, Yes! Look at Hebrews “line upon line and precept upon precept”. Those Jewish Christians were commanded to “leave” those things and to “not lay again” that foundation. It is the old covenant that was the…[Read more]

Son of Light said:Quote Unfortunately, the evidence seems to point towards him creating a splinter group from the original Nazarene movement as founded by Jesus and his disciples. You're right. And he created that “splinter group” as the result of direct revelation he received from Christ. Hebrews also says this,Quote Therefore, leaving the…[Read more]

Nick said:Quote I would hope you too would treasure the gospel given us to share.Of course I treasure the gospel. Why would I be on this board defending it? I have even confronted the pastors and the elders at my church when I have seen any deviation from Paul's gospel.thinker

Martian said:Quote I will get back to you on the John 5 issue.Martian, I am looking forward to it. As I said, I have been waiting for a Unitarian to overcome this.God speed,thinker

942767 said:Quote Scripture must be line upon line an precept upon precept.  Too often we Christians have a tendency to form an opinion based on one scripture rather than understanding the whole of what the scriptures state:Jesus stated this in the scriptures which you quote:Quote  Jhn 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw ,…[Read more]

Kerwin said:Quote Anyone reading it can clearly see the writer listed a number of items the considered elementary teachings and not just baptism as you are insisting.  The list starts with “repentance from acts that lead to death, and “faith in God” in verse one and then goes on to “instruction about baptisms”, “the laying on of hands”, “the…[Read more]

Nick said:Quote It look as though it was rather the mystery was the secret.Romans 16:25Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,26But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets,…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Jan. 29 2009,10:51)Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 29 2009,09:51)942767 wrote:Quote …there is no scripture which states outright that Jesus pre-existed his virgin birth into this world, and without a scripture to substantiate this claim…Jesus said: “Before Abraham was I Am” (John 8:58). 942,This is an “outright” statement of…[Read more]

Martian said:Quote In Genesis 1:27 the term image is defined by the word form. This definition is verified by Strong’s concordance.Edermans New Bible Dictionary defines image as “The word is used throughout the Bible to denote a material representation in animal human or mixed form.”Zondervan Pictorial Dictionary “The words “image” and “likeness”…[Read more]

942767 wrote:Quote …there is no scripture which states outright that Jesus pre-existed his virgin birth into this world, and without a scripture to substantiate this claim…Jesus said: “Before Abraham was I Am” (John 8:58). 942,This is an “outright” statement of pre-existence to me.thinker

Seeking wroteQuote “Word” here is “logos”Greetings Seeking,How does the use of “logos” disprove what I said. It was still that which Christ spoke to them that cleansed them.Quote “Paul said that Christ's church is cleansed by the washing of water which is the Word (Eph. 5:26).”I say you wrote because I have not the version that states,” water…[Read more]

Nick said:Quote But those truths were not new but revealed by this anointed man at the appropriate time.Greetings Nick,Paul said that his gospel was “kept secret”. This means that when it was revealed it was NEW. Your statement that it was revealed at the “appropriate time” also means that Paul's gospel was NEW. You're still resisting God's…[Read more]

Martian said:Quote My info on image meaninf form comes from the ancient Hebrew text and verified by the Ancient Hebrew Lexicon. Where does your proof against it come from, Your doctrine?  In otherwords it can't mean what I said cause it messes up your doctrine.Martian,You need to do two things. First, show from Scripture that “image” and “form”…[Read more]

Nick said:Quote We should be like Paul and claim the gospel of God we have to preach to our hearts as our own.Nick,Your comment above is a misrepresentation of Paul's “my gospel” statement. It was his own because Christ had revealed it to him and no other man before him. We don't make it “our own” Come on!thinker

Nick said:Quote Yes the apostles were exempt because they were cleansed by the Word.Does that mean we are all cleansed by the Word when we have not been given that personal assurance?Certainly the apostles did not take that meaning as in the book of Acts they water baptised all who came to Jesus.Again Nick, Hebrews 6:1-2 says that repentance and…[Read more]

Kerwin said:Quote And so were repentance and the resurrection of the dead according to you logic as they are also mentioned in verse two.  So you must believe Jesus was not raised from the dead?  You are obviously misinterpreting that scripture and any one with any common sense realizes it.Kerwin,Nothing I have said infers that Christ was not r…[Read more]

Martian wrote:Quote OK so how do you explain the definition of image in Gen 1 that defines image as form. I appears that man was created in the form of God.According to your logic we can safely say that all men are pre-existent.Your theory fails on the context issue since the issue is attitude not deity.Secondly – the term “form” in the Greek is…[Read more]

Nick said:Quote You must be born again of water and the Spirit.Jesus told His disciples that they were clean through the word He spoke to them, “Now you ALREADY are clean through the word I have spoken to you” (John 15:3).Note that Jesus said that they were “already” cleansed by the Word and not by water. The disciples were never baptized. They…[Read more]

Nick said:Quote I have no problem with Paul being charged with the further revelation of the depths of the gospel.The RIGHTEOUSNESS of God is revealed and mysteries manifested.But it was not a new gospel.His views on such things are well shown in Gal 1Nick,Paul said that his gospel was “kept secret” since the world began. How can you say it wasn't…[Read more]

Nick said:Quote Should we judge any man?We should certainly compare their tenets with the Teachers and judge their fruit.It would be a major folly to head off following these men or any others but that is what the world does.Nick,Do you know yourself to be a sinner or no?thinker