Nick said:Quote Certainly God showed Paul, the servant of Christ, deeper aspects of the gospel of the kingdom.He now could because His Spirit now dwelled in him.Then why do you keep resisting Paul?thinker

Nick said:Quote Paul served Jesus and did not go beyond his Master's gospel.Nick, Paul said that his gospel was revealed to him by Christ. If Christ revealed the whole gospel truth in the days of His flesh, then why would He reveal more truth to Paul? And why did Jesus say to His disciples, “I have more to say to you but you can't bear it now. But…[Read more]

Seeking said:Quote James is simply illustrating that performance must equal proclamation and, on the part of demons, it does not.He is in no way saying performance saves.  Grace savesSeeking, James said that Abraham was justified by his works,Quote Was not our father Abraham justified by works when he offered his son Isaac on the altar?…[Read more]

Nick said:Quote God gave all authority to Jesus.Yes! And Jesus used His authority to select Paul as His mouthpiece. So what's the problem?If the owner of a field says to His supervisor, “I give you all authority”, then whoever that supervisor chooses to administrate things is the FINAL word.God chose Christ to be lord of the vinyard or field…[Read more]

942767 said:Quote Neither those under the Law of Moses nor we are saved by works because we even while we are obeying God's commandments we make mistakes. Under the law of Moses, the sinner offered the blood of an animal to atone for their sins, and once a year on the day of atonement the High priest went into the holy of holies with blood for his…[Read more]

942767 said:Quote You mean building on the foundation like wood, hay and stubble?Hi Marty,Paul explicitly said that we are to build upon the foundation with gold and precious jewels. These represent God's new covenant principles. The wood, hay and stubble are the things of the old covenant. Baptisms belong to the old covenant and are therefore…[Read more]

Seeking said:Quote The most widely accepted dating for the book of James isAD 50-60.This is not possible for two reasons. First, James gives no explanation of the death of Christ which would have been very strange if it was written so late. Second, James would have been contradicting Paul if it was written so late for Paul taught that Abraham was…[Read more]

Martian said:Quote Water baptism is only a shadow of the deeper emersion we are to have in the Character of God as shown through His son Jesus.Hey Martian,I think we agree on something. Be cool dude!thinker

Nick said:Quote Paul is a wonderful mouthpiece of God spreading wider and deeper the ripples of the truth of Christ.Then Paul's gospel was indeed new then?thinker

Martian said:Quote I answered your question about YHWH meaning He exists. You posted opinion that it means “I will become” in such a way as to mean it exclusively. I posted sources that said in general it means He exists. Again opinion versus sources.Make up your mind Martian. Did YHWH say “I exist”, or did He say “I function”?Quote I already ans…[Read more]

Quote (martian @ Jan. 30 2009,05:46)Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 29 2009,19:38)Martian said:Quote I will get back to you on the John 5 issue.Martian, I am looking forward to it. As I said, I have been waiting for a Unitarian to overcome this.God speed,thinkerThethinkerFor some reason you seem to think you have some authority to demand I answer your…[Read more]

Gene said:Quote WE are now baptized with SPIRIT and FIRE, Water only makes you wet. Does nothing to change a person at all. Even John the baptist knew that, telling Jesus I have need to be Baptized BY YOU> May God hasten the day when all this mess will be straightened out.And if you're an immersionist water may make you cough and spit up. I have…[Read more]

942767 said:Quote Everyone who is saved both OT and NT is saved by Faith.  This faith is manifest through the works of obedience to God.  Baptism is an act of obedience to God.Marty,If everyone is saved the same way in both covenants, then what is the difference between the two covenants? This dilemna is difficult to overcome.Quote Does that m…[Read more]

Seeking said:Quote It also seems there is a refusal to rightly divide the word and distinguish between OT baptism  to be done away with and NT or covenant baptism to be retained.  The NT Christians got it  -Acts 19:3-5 (KJV)  And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.  Then said Paul, John veri…[Read more]

942767 said:Quote My understanding of this is that if a Christian backslides, he cannot come again back through repentance and water baptism.  This would be crucifying the Lord afresh and putting him to an open shame.   A backslider can come back just asking God for forgiveness and restoration to the body of Christ.But chapter 9 says that ALL b…[Read more]

Seeking said:Quote How manipulative!Here is what I wrote, Quote  Is baptism a “work unto salvation?”Seeking,I wasn't trying to be manipulative. I misread your statement. It was an honest mistake.When baptism was in effect it was indeed a work for salvation. Peter said,Quote Repent and let everyone of you be baptised in the name of the Lord Jesus…[Read more]

Martian,I'll reply tomorrow my friend.thinker

Seeking said:Quote People will continually fail to seperate properply the new from the old. You talk of ancient construction methods to justifydiscarding parts of the foundation.  But discarding any part of a foundation is foolishness.  Jesus is the chief cornerstone, a cornerstone being that from which all else is lined up.Seeking,Please read m…[Read more]

Seeking said:Quote So, you would have us to tear out the building blocks and build from there.  You are constructing a house bound for failure.  But, as those Paul was speaking to, when we misunderstand the foundation we keep returning to it.Nothing is said about “misunderstanding” the foundation. A foundation is laid once for all. After this it i…[Read more]

Seeking said:Quote Rather, their foundation was the doctrine of Christ and those principles: 1 Cor. 3:10-11 (KJV)     According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.  For other foundation can no man lay th…[Read more]