Seeking said:Quote You say above, Paul's gospel was new. To my way of thinking new replaces old, thus we have change.Thus, I saw you implying that the gospel had changed, not willchange.Yes! The gospel changed (from Jesus to Paul). I thought you were charging me with saying that the gospel will change again. I was not saying that. Paul's gospel is…[Read more]

Seeking said:Quote Reading nothing into the text and simply letting the facts speak for themselves, I conclude that baptism was not primary to Paul's preaching of the gospel, as he stated. It should not be primary to us.  Nevertheless, Paul obviously included thepractice of baptism into Christ in his ministry and clearly separated it from any old…[Read more]

Nick said:Quote Jesus was baptised to fulfill all righteousnessYes. To fulfill all righteousness means to fulfill the law. His death and intercession in the heavenly tabernacle completed all things. Until then they were required to obey the law of Moses.thinker

Nick said:Quote Same gospel.One kingdom of God.Different audiences according to the mercy offer of GodNick,Paul's gospel was not the same as Jesus' gospel. Jesus commanded Israel to “repent and be baptized”. Paul taught faith alone to all men of all races. The “repent and be baptized” gospel of Jesus was interim for Israel. Paul's “faith alone”…[Read more]

Kerwin wrote:Quote I can clearly read that Jesus did not say go just to the Hebrew people which is what he himself did for the main part.   Rather Jesus said go to all nations.Kerwin,Your taking Christ's mandate to them out of context. In Acts it says that they were to begin with Jerusalem and then work their way to the uttermost parts ot the…[Read more]

Nick wrote:Quote The Law was until JohnYou read Christ's statement wronly Nick. Read what Christ said in the Sermon on the Mount:Quote Do not think that I have come to destroy the law or the prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For assuredly I say to you…one jot or tittle will by no means pass from the law until all be fulfilled.…[Read more]

Meerkat wroteQuote What I believe is that 70AD was the end of an age  – the old covenant age – we are told that while the physical temple still stands the old order has not passed   – they still baptised with water because the temple was still standing.Hbrews 9:9-10 seems to mean that there is a transition period while the first temple still s…[Read more]

Marty wrote:Quote Cornelius was a devout gentile who was obeying God but he was sent to the Apostle Peter to hear what God has done for humanity in the person of Jesus Christ.  This is what I am saying that when he believed and he, and they that were with him, received the Holy Ghost and this prior to being baptized in water.Marty, your statement…[Read more]

Seeking,I am saying that Paul's gospel was new. But you said I am saying that the gospel will “change”. You said:Quote that What the Greek language by its tense is saying is that…the message  of salvation has been revealed in the past, it is being revealed now, and unless the Lord comes It will be revealed in the future.  Not changed, as you i…[Read more]

Marty wrote:Quote Cornelius received the Holy Ghost the instant they believed. We are saved by Faith, but faith without works is dead. Marty, Cornelius believed at least four days before he received the Holy Spirit. He told Peter,Quote Four days ago I was fasting until this hour; and at the ninth hour I prayed in my house, and behold, a man…[Read more]

Meerkat said:Quote To me the new covenant has more to do with worshiping and obeying the spirit of the law in truth and love and loving your neighbor as yourself and loving God, rather than following the letter and observing rituals (dead works) like baptism, communion, church going.Amen! The new covenant is about obedience according to the spirit…[Read more]

Marty wrote:Quote Cornelius received the Holy Ghost the instant they believed.  We are saved by Faith, but faith without works is dead.Marty, Cornelius believed at least four days before he received the Holy Spirit. He told Peter,Quote Four days ago I was fasting until this hour; and at the ninth hour I prayed in my house, and behold, a man stood…[Read more]

Seeking said:Quote You nicely substitute, again, gospel for mystery.  What the Greek language by its tense is saying is that -yes Nick -the message  of salvation has been revealed in the past, it is being revealed now, and unless the Lord comes It will be revealed in the future.  Not changed, as you imply, but revealed.What??? I never implied th…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 02 2009,21:31)The Thinker wrote:Quote You keep insisting that the priesthood is necessary today. But the purpose of the priesthood was to bring Gentiles into the covenant. They  were brought into the covenant in the first century and have been in the covenant sense. The Jewish priesthood fulfilled its mandate. If you say no…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 03 2009,08:59)Hi TT, Where?Kerwin infers that “strangers” and “pilgrims” means that our citizenship is not this world. But it also means that one's citizenship is not in the land inwhich he is residing. Is not a missionary from the U.S. who goes to live in Kenya to minister a “stranger” and a “pilgrim” in Kenya? Kerwin…[Read more]

Nick said:Quote Inference is not of much value in sacred mattersSo what do you infer from the text Nick? Kerwin is making an inference too.thinker

Thinker said:Quote The present tense verb “revealed” has no reference to past action in the Greek or in any language.  Seeking replied:Quote Bold statement without fact or foundation.  Granted, I only studied Koine Greek for two years, still I will restate:the Greek present tense differs from ours in that it speaks of what was, is now, and will b…[Read more]

Kerwin asked:Quote The gospel is still being preached to this day to both the Hebrew people and the gentiles for many are not in the new covenant.  Kerwin,I praise God with you that the gospel is still being preached today. But this does not prove that the Jewish priesthood still continues til today. Once the Gentiles came into the covenant of…[Read more]

Quote (SEEKING @ Feb. 03 2009,00:30)Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 02 2009,02:58)Note Paul said “is being revealed”. This means that Paul's gospel had not been revealed before then. Paul said that the gospel he preached was “NOW” being revealed. This means that Paul's gospel was NEW. I have given these statements before Nick. I guess I will have to keep…[Read more]

Kerwin wrote:Quote I am first going to address the fact that Christians are to be strangers in this world for it is written:Kerwin, I don't dispute that all Christians are strangers and pilgrims in the sense that our citizenship is not here but in heaven. But that's not what Peter was saying to those Jewish Christians. In the context he was…[Read more]