Martian said:Quote Did God who spoke out of Ballams Ass become an ass to do so? Did God become all of the various prophets that spoke saying “thus saith the Lord when it was them speaking? Did God become each one of the High Priests whn they spoke in prophecy?Does every prophet today suddenly change from a person to YHWH when they bring forth…[Read more]

Martian said:Quote First do not presume to pull the old Yes or No scam on me. I am not your whipping to dog to be told how to respond to you. Any reasonable person knows that there are not always simple Yes or No answers.Martian,In terms of real possibilities the answer is “yes” or “no”. I deal with real possibilities. Martian said:Quote God…[Read more]

Meerkat said:Quote The Moses and the snake example is still referring directly to the situation that is being talked about and the snake was/existed/exists/became in the present time of the future event that was being talked about.What you are trying to prove is that hayah can mean that God will become something at a future time that is not…[Read more]

Martian said:Quote I do not remember saying that I AM means function. I said it means “I exist.”Martian,About Exodus 3:14 you said that “hayah” means to function. On Jan 26 2009, 05:16 you wrote:Quote While it is true that YHWH can at times mean to become this is a matter of function not appearance. In other words it is not that YHWH would appear…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 14 2009,13:11)Hi TT,Jn517 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.  What translation are you relying on?Hi Nick,Normally I will not be…[Read more]

Thinker said:Quote One who knows himself capable of sin could never speak with this kind of assurance. A man who knows himself capable of sin would never say “I always do those things that please Him” unless he is deluded like Peter. When Jesus said “I do laways those things that please Him” he was speaking indicatively.Martian replied:Quote This…[Read more]

Martian said:Quote Some insist that God became a man. In order for the being we know as God to become a man, He would need to change His character in order to be capable of sinning. How can God change His character from a being incapable of sin to a man that could sin?The problem with the formula postulated by Martian above is that Jesus did not…[Read more]

Martian said:Quote I agree that all of them can be false. Martian, Your statement that all sources can be false is a good start. The Bible affirms this:Quote The core of man is deceitful and desperately wicked above all things (Jer. 17:9)So we know both from the Bible and from experience that man is going to give us his “truth” with a slant. This…[Read more]

Meerkat said:Quote But if I look at 1961 {hayah} and the other places in scripture that it is used , it does not always have a future sense to it and when it has a future sense to it is because the context of the passage is future itself.I agree that it doesn't always have a future sense. I was commenting only on its use in Exodus 3:14 thinker

942767 wrote:Quote And so, everyone in the church is a mature Christian today?No! The expression “mature man” simply means that the body of Christ collectively is equipped with all it needs. Pastors and teachers were needed only in the interim period. Btw, thanks for getting this back on topic.thinker

Martian said:Quote I am willing to throw out all sources but you cling to them. Where did you come up with the idea that YHWH means I will become?  Was it a source?What!!! You're willing to throw out all sources??? I cling to sources??? You ask where I got the idea that YHWH means “I will become what I will become.” First, I gave you the link to…[Read more]

Martian said:Quote Like the scripture in Mal God's promises do not change because His character does not change.Martian,This is the Faith Alone thread. Remember? I can see that you really want to sparr with me on this. Last week you sent me a pm inviting me to come back to the Trinity 2 thread and discuss these things. But I told you in the pm I…[Read more]

Seeking said:Quote Thinker,Amen! I agree – let's do.  I have an affinity for you also.  Perhaps we have walked the same paths.  I also grew up in Chicago and sought to survive as you did.  You haven't punched me out have you!?If I remember right, you attended school in California.  I am reluctant to ask if your travels took you  to Texas and Orego…[Read more]

Meerkat said:Quote Martian,You seem to be judging this board only by the vocal people who are replying negatively to your posts and challenging you Meerkat,I agree with you and and I thank you for saying this. If you challenge Martian or his sources you're just speaking “opinion”. Yet I have provided two sources, one on the Trinity thread and the…[Read more]

Martian said:Quote Like the scripture in Mal God's promises do not change because His character does not change.But God becoming flesh does not change His character. That it would you have yet to prove. Martian said:Quote I also invite you to read my thread called “What God cannot do”.I'm interested only in the Scriptures. And the Scriptures say…[Read more]

To All,Before I do any more posting today I want to say that I have not been pleased with the tone this subject has taken. I am displeased with myself more than anyone on this board because I have been aggressive toward what I perceive to be attacks on me.I am not a nasty person. I'm just a fighter. There were four of us kids growing up and my…[Read more]

942767 wrote:Quote Then the following scripture is no longer valid?  Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 942767 wrote”Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of…[Read more]

Nick said:Quote What we have seen here in this forum is the gross overconfidence of many who think they have been saved and who claim they have the mind of Christ and are led by the Spirit in their thoughts and teachings, but the evidence from their pen shows they are adrift from the anchor of the soul and their words in no way reflect the Spirit…[Read more]

Seeking said:Quote Here is where my “Seeking” has brought me –Seeking,Let's both keep it in a Christian like manner from now on. For some reason I especially like you (hugs and kisses). I don't know why I do. I just do.I know that you are seeking for yourself. I was just saying that you haven't brought anything fresh against faith alone to the…[Read more]

Martian wrote:Quote You know we have a variety of education on this board. One thing that is very common is the amount of religious people that are on here. You have those with little education in the word and continually post the same scriptures over and over again with their same opinion over and over. Then you have those that are the first to…[Read more]