Quote (before Time @ Mar. 11 2009,05:09)Greetings ThinkerOn his own free will Christ took on himself on the cross all the sins of humankind to redeem us from the curse of the law. “Jesus was NOT sinful, or a sinner, in any sense.” Deut. 21:23 Isa. 53:5 2 Cor. 5:21Gal 3:13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for…[Read more]

Kerwin wrote:Quote That is why I have tried to get some individuals to explain what their beliefs are in this area.   That is where the question of whether Jesus is a hybrid or not comes in.  That question also involves the two natures of Jesus as a hybrid has two natures.Greetings Kerwin,Again, your “hybrid” talk betrays your belief that God a…[Read more]

Before Time said:Quote I think the answer is considering the kind resurrection Paul penned. Christ was the first resurrection, the firstfruit of those who were dead in their sins while still living their physical life.  Eph 2:1 When one is resurrected from their transgressions they will never died in God’s eye. Col. 3:3BT,If Christ is the “f…[Read more]

Thinker wrote:Quote Paul was the administrator of the new covenant (2 Corinthians 3).Seeking replied:Quote This is a direct contradiction of scripture which states Jesus is the mediator of the “New Covenant.”I said that Paul was the administrator of the new covenant. I did NOT say that he was the mediator of the new covenant. Paul himself said…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ Mar. 10 2009,14:21)Thinker……. I agree with that no one has risen yet except Jesus. imo.,  I don't know about Nick, He might just be taking a break that can be good once and a while. love and peace to you and yours……………………………………….geneGene,When a person like Nick takes a break it makes me wonder if he…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ Mar. 08 2009,06:24)Nick………being in some one bosom, simply meaning being in there heart of hearts. it does not say Abraham is present Himself there otherwise Jesus would have be lying when He said (NO) Man has ascended into heaven, but fi he were changed into a different form or being then that might be different, but we have…[Read more]

The Thinker wrote:Quote He voluntarily limited Himself (Philippians 2).  Kerwin replied:Quote So you are saying that it was not taking on the human form that put limits on Him but His choice to limit Himself.He chose to limit Himself by taking human form. This is what Philippians 2 clearly teaches.Kerwin said:Quote Context is important since it…[Read more]

Thinker said:Quote or stfu! Seeking replied:Quote Is this part of Paul's faith alone covenant?  Have you never read –  Eph 4:29-30  Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up, as fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear.   And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you wer…[Read more]

Quote (SEEKING @ Mar. 09 2009,08:02)Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 08 2009,10:03)Quote Did Jesus fulfill the law or not? Mat 5:17  “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. Rom 8:1-4  There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.  For the law of th…[Read more]

Kerwin asked thethinker:Quote What do you think created in God’s image means?It means that after God created man He looked upon him and saw the reflection of Himself (before sin of course). So for God to become man would mean that He would exist in His own likeness but in humility instead of power.Kerwin said:Quote This introduces another q…[Read more]

Gene said to WJ:Quote Because I also believe GOD (ALONE) created everything,Gene,Don't throw us a “change up” now my bro. Recently you have repeatedly said that impersonal “powers” created all things. I refer to your repeated statements in the “Elohim” thread in the “Truth or Tradition” forum. You clearly deny that Elohim are Persons.thinker

Mandy said: Quote I have some things to add to this.  But I'll be back later this evening.  I come from the view that Jesus IS the literal son of God.  So it may be interesting for you and I to talk about this.  Looking forward to hearing more from you.Mandy,I am humbled that you would want to discourse with me.thinker  

Seeking said:Quote I see only two covenants in scripture.  The first was of the letter and involved the blood of bulls and goats, birds, etc.Jesus did away with it and introduced the “New Covenant” of the Spirit which was “in His Blood.”  Paul spoke of it in the Corinthian letter ch.11 mentioned above.  It is the one Paul is the minister of in th…[Read more]

Quote (SEEKING @ Mar. 07 2009,00:47)Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 05 2009,21:14)Quote Seeking,You say “hogwash” and “eisegesis”? Then answer this. Paul said,Quote For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions which were AROUSED BY THE LAW were at work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death (Rom, 7:5)and,Quote For these are the two…[Read more]

thethinker said:Quote Jesus said that the Holy Spirit would not speak on His own authority but would speak on the authority of another. Jesus said that the Holy Spirit would speak what He “hears” and not His own words. It is clear from this statement that the Holy Spirit is a distinct Person from the Father. For the Father is never presented to us…[Read more]

Gene said:Quote thinker………. John 1:1……> I will paraphrase it  the way i believe it should be understood, … In the beginning was  expressed intellect or (word)and expressed intellect or (word)was with POWERS, and expressed Intellect or (word) was Powers.Gene,I certainly don't buy the explanation of John 1:1 you have given above. And I d…[Read more]

Gene said:Quote ……….Elohim by it self does not reference a being, Add Lord to it like LORD GOD, then you have a Person involved Gene,The Powers are PERSONAL Beings. Your idea that Elohim must have the word “LORD” with it to make it personal is totally unsustainable. Personal pronouns are used of Elohim in the creation of man,Quote And the…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ Mar. 08 2009,16:33)thinker……….When it says GOD is in you its referencing these Powers being in you.Gene,But it is still  Personal Beinga that are in me. Your “powers” explanation does not work bro.thinker

Gene wrote:Quote thinker …..No, i don't mean Jesus was a sinner who never sinned, that is a oxymoron, how could you be a sinner who never sinned.Whew! I'm glad we got that cleared up. Gene said:Quote He was a HUMAN Being who had the( (potential) to sinning but never did. That quite obvious or He could have never been tempted, right.I disagree!…[Read more]

Kerwin said to theodorej:Quote It may be the words you choose to use but you certainly seem to be stating that Jesus is a hybrid mix of God and man in much the same way that a mule is a hybrid mix between horse and donkey or Hercules was a hybrid mix between a Greek god and man.  I happen to believe that pagan religions became mixed with the…[Read more]