Thinker said to Gene:Quote Show from Scripture where Christ's Father claimed to be Israel's Kinsman or King.Gene replied:Quote Show were Jesus at the time of that statement was ever King of IsraelGene Gene Gene! Go back to my original statement. I said this,Quote YHWH speaking prophetically identified Himself as Israel's blood-relative…[Read more]

Gene wrote:Quote …it references the expressed intellect of the LORD GOD HIMSELF> The word (became)flesh  means came to be in Flesh….You said that the Logos is the expressed intellect of the Lord God Himself. You said that the expressed intellect came to be in flesh. This is exactly what I believe! This is exactly what Apollinarius, a zealous…[Read more]

Kerwin wrote:Quote I see no such concurrence but rather just an observation being wrote down.Kerwin,Keep in mind that John was a Jew also and therefore he understood Jesus' claim as his fellow Jews did.Quote In other words you can do good on the Sabbath  which is what he did by healing the invalid on the Sabbath.  In fact if he had chosen not to d…[Read more]

t8 said:Quote Jesus is also not God, but he has divine nature and he is theos. He is of God.Eve is not Adam, but she has human nature and she is man. She is of man.t8,Jesus is not the Father. But He is fully God as the Father just as Eve is fully man as Adam. You said yourself that Jesus is Theos because He is of God. Eve is Man because she is of…[Read more]

Gene said:Quote Establishing Him as a kinsman redeemer has nothing to do with him being YHWH brother.Gene,You say that my establishing Jesus as kinsman redeemer has nothing to do with Him being YHWH? Let's read the text again without any presuppositionsQuote Thus says YHWH, the King of Israel, and his Kinsman Redeemer, YHWH of hosts; I am the…[Read more]

t8 said:Quote Also, Eve is not Adam, but she is adam. Likewise Jesus is not YHWH or the Divine, but he has divine nature as he came from God.t8,Eve is not the male but she is “Adam” nevertheless. You said so yourself. So the Son is not the Father but He is “God” nevertheless.2 + 2 = 4thinker

t8wrote:Quote Another example is Adam and Eve. Eve is in nature man/adam but she is not Adam. NOTE: adam is the word for man i.e., flesh nature and it is the name of the first man.Yes! Eve is in very nature man. Therefore, she is the same kind as Adam. Jesus is in very nature God. Therefore, He is the same kind as His Father.We become partakers of…[Read more]

Kerwin wrote:Quote I tell you what little I believe I know and that is the Holy Spirit is to God as my spirit is to me.  Is my spirit mindless?But the Holy Spirit is subordinate to the Father and is therefore to be distinguished. Your spirit is not subordinate to you.Quote For He will not speak on His own authority (John 16:13)Kerwin wrote:Quote…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ Mar. 11 2009,16:34)Thinker ……….Show me the name (Jesus) mentioned in John 1:1 and you will have a leg to stand on, if you can't brother then there is doubt that the WORD (WORD) Means Jesus  and i am using what is written just as it is written, and i don't have to change anything. John was only relating to the Beginning of all…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ Mar. 11 2009,16:09)thinker …..I think Nick's point is how could Jesus be GOD the FATHER and Worship GOD the FATHER also. Jesus plainly said i am going to (MY) GOD and (YOUR) GOD , (MY ) FATHER and (YOUR) FATHER, do you see any difference between Him and US there.love and peace to you and yours…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ Mar. 09 2009,16:58)To All……….the word LOGOS is simply word, it does not imply a person. It is a descriptor and simply means intelligent utterance. because that what a (word) is. and nothing more. Trinitarians and preexistences try to turn logos into a person rather then an attribute of the ONE and ONLY TRUE GOD, so they alter…[Read more]

Kerwin wrote:Quote I thought I had understood what you meant but your words brought me to doubt that understanding.  I certainly believe that there is one similarity and that is probably the only one  God really cares about and that is that man was created like God in true holiness and righteousness.   My question was to see if you believe th…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ Mar. 12 2009,03:48)thinker………Jesus said the flesh profits (nothing) so why would GOD choose to become a flesh and blood human being then , seeing the flesh profits nothing. And also since sin came by man then by man sin is atoned for.  There is absolute no reason for GOD the FATHER to become a human being. For perfection to…[Read more]

Gene said:Quote thinker, the word GOD,(ELOHIM) is relating an attribute to something, or someone,  it in or of it self dose not mean a person or any thing but (POWERS) or those that Poses (POWERS) as in  the case of the LORD GOD, (HE EXISTS WITH POWERS) is the way Israel understood it and follows through out scripture as such. I can give you m…[Read more]

Kerwin wrote:Quote I freely admit I am ignorant of what you believe and I also do go on my previous knowledge of Trinitarian beliefs.   Kerwin,You are the most humble person on this board. You certainly are an example to me. To admit ignorance on a subject is very difficult for most of us. I commend you.Kerwin said:Quote Now that you have voiced…[Read more]

Quote (Not3in1 @ Mar. 11 2009,12:04)Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 11 2009,04:28)This is not the case for man was created in God's image and after God's likeness. So for God to become a man is for Him to become like Himself.Hi Thinker,What do you do with this scripture, then?Numbers 23:19God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he…[Read more]

Seeking,I feel badly about my recent manner in this discourse. It is coming from frstration for having to repeat myself so much on the letter versus the spirit of the law issue. I feel that long before now we should have been been talking about the how of serving the spirit of the law. But you keep taking us back to the letter of it. The letter of…[Read more]

Kerwin wrote:Quote I was doing my thinking in writing much as a person is instructed to work out a math problem in writing.  I advanced the hypothesis that the Holy Spirit has a separate but subject will from the Father based on what you wrote and then pointed out that that conclusion was not really supported by the scripture that you cited as…[Read more]

Quote (SEEKING @ Mar. 11 2009,02:49) Jesus' words were old covenant. Paul was the administrator of the new covenant (2 Corinthians 3). So Christ is the mediator of the new covenantand God qualified the Apostles to administer it. The letter of the law has passed away for the letter “kills.” Moses represents the letter of the law andChrist…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ Mar. 10 2009,14:47)Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 10 2009,06:15)Gene said to WJ:Quote Because I also believe GOD (ALONE) created everything,Gene,Don't throw us a “change up” now my bro. Recently you have repeatedly said that impersonal “powers” created all things. I refer to your repeated statements in the “Elohim” thread in the “Truth or…[Read more]