Gene said:Quote But to think that the Father was the flesh and blood Jesus, is a error brother.I never said that the Father was the flesh and blood of Jesus. I have no idea what you'r talking about. I asked you to show where the Bible says this. And since we both agree that the Jesus is NOT the Father in the flesh then YHWH-Kinsman-Redeemer in…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ Mar. 16 2009,05:58)thinker……….where it say (HE) can be many other words as the concordance shows (IT) is just as like as HE or HIM and in this case (It) would imply (POWERS) or GOD> in any case you don't see Jesus' name there do you. So to insert Jesus as the He or It is forcing the text. And therefore Why should we make…[Read more]

Quote (SEEKING @ Mar. 16 2009,01:44)Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 14 2009,02:29)Quote my particular view of the trinity is Apollinarian which is considered heresy by trinitarians.ApollinarianismGeneral Information Apollinarianism was a heretical doctrine taught by Apollinaris the Younger, bishop of Laodicea in Syria during the 4th century. A…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ Mar. 14 2009,13:26)thinker………..I know nothing about Apollanaruis, but if he believed that the word (word) in John 1:1, meant expressed intellect then I agree with Him in that but as to say He gained some kind of Trinitarian Ideology from that I personally don't see How. love and peace to you and…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Mar. 14 2009,11:46)Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 14 2009,11:40)Marty said;Quote Creation exists for God and his children.Quote  Jhn 16:15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew unto you.Marty,The “things” in John 16:15 has to do with truth. And the “you” that receives…[Read more]

Gene said:Quote Thinker thinks GOD is referencing a triune set of persons all GODS.Gene,I have said only that “elohim” in Genesis 1:26 refers to Gods plural. I have inferred only that God is therefore a plural unity. I believe that God is a tri-unity as you say but I do not infer this from Genesis 1:26 but from all of Scripture. I have merely been…[Read more]

t8 said:Quote It is true that there is a right way to look at it. It is certainly presumptious to say this is teaching the trinity, and I do not claim to know with absolute certainty what these particular verses mean. But scripture needs to be complimentary to scripture so that there are no contradictions.t8,I did not say that Genesis 1:16 teaches…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 14 2009,20:08)Just a personal thing to consider thinker.Are you a thinker, or is your mind already made up?If we are able to think, then we are free to accept truth when it is delivered. But a man who follows tradition will nullify the power of God by reason of that tradition. Tradition often blocks they way for the truth.What…[Read more]

t8 wrote:Quote There are a number of ways to look at “Let us make man in our image” and “become like one of us”. Some people here have an explanation as to why that I haven't looked into yet.t8,You say there are a number of ways to look at it. Please! Man was created in the image of “elohim” the creator God . People's explanations do not impress…[Read more]

Seeking said:Quote Simply holding an insight different than yours does not reflect a lack of seeking.  In fact, seeking is how one sees past your “therefores” etc.To All,Failure to reply does not constitute “insight.” I have pointed out several times now that Jesus said that the priests “profaned” the sabbath but were “blameless.” Seeking has not…[Read more]

Seeking said:Quote To which I, Seeking, reply – What??  Twisting your speech???  What is twisted in my reply?? If you can't answer, ignore, I will not be heartbroken.  But don't come with, “you twisted my speech. Ridiculous!Seeking,Whatever man! I said in a post to Kerwin today that the spirit of the sabbath law “trumped” the letter of the law. I…[Read more]

Marty said;Quote Creation exists for God and his children.Quote  Jhn 16:15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew unto you.Marty,The “things” in John 16:15 has to do with truth. And the “you” that receives that truth are the disciples to whom Jesus was speaking.  thinker

Gene said:Quote John 1:1……….has nothing to do with Jesus at all, It's about the LORD GOD HIMSELF, and nothing more. If John wanted to say Jesus He simply would have said Jesus, what would be so hard about that, He know who Jesus was , so we have to conclude He was not talking about Jesus at all. An notice this (word) intelligent utterance…[Read more]

Gene said:Quote EL means Might or mountain, and Elohim Means MIGHTY POWERS, The LORD GOD can not stand alone He is composed of SEVEN SPIRITS these are POWERS called Elohim. They can not take a singular position in that context unless we add the word (LORD) then we have (HE EXISTS WITH POWERS)  The He would represent an individual person. If we…[Read more]

Gene said:Quote Jesus said the Flesh profits nothing I didn't, Jesus was meaning that as a general statement His sacrifice of his life was the point of profit to us not his flesh, his flesh was simply attached to him as with us,Jesus said:Quote “Take, eat; this is My body….For this is My blood of the new covenant”Hebrews says,Quote Without the…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Mar. 13 2009,10:11)Hi:And Jesus could not always have been a man because:Quote Gen 3:20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living. Mandy replied:Quote Marty,What do you mean?Marty,Yeah! I don't get it either. thinker

Seeking said:Quote Thinker, I made only one point in my post,  David did not violate the SabbathIt doesn't matter. Jesus said that the sabbath was “profaned” when the priests gave the shewbread to David. Though the priests were justified they still profaned it. Jesus did not deny that He broke the sabbath.thinker said:Quote Here's a thought! God…[Read more]

Thinker said:Quote Jesus said that what king David and the priests did was “unlawful” and that they “profaned” the sabbath (vss. 3-8).  Seeking replied:Quote David did not violate the Sabbath in this instance.  He violated the edict that only Aaron and his sons, priests, were to eat the bread.But the priests gave David the shewbread and in doing t…[Read more]

t8 said:Quote The fact is thinker, many are called theos and elohim, these titles are not exclusive to the Most High.So who created man? If the terms “theos” and “elohim” are ALWAYS non-exclusive to YHWH then the terms are not exclusive to YHWH in Genesis 1:26. So who or what created man? Do you agree that it is the immediate context that should…[Read more]