t8 said:Quote Humans worry because their nature is in a fallen state. Jesus came in the weakness of flesh, but he was without sin and he had faith.Jesus had no human weakness. Quote And what we have said is even more clear if another priest like Melchizedek appears, one who has become a priest not on the regulation as to his ancesrty but on the…[Read more]

942767 said:Quote esus trusted in God, and therefore, he did not worry.  And we also, as God's children should trust in God, and not worry. I don't worry because I trust in God's promises.That men who do not know God worry that much is true, but I don't know of any law which says that anyone with a human nature “must worry”.  These worry because o…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 17 2009,20:09)I should add that flesh is the nature of man. If Jesus didn't come as one of us, then perhaps his death wouldn't affect us either. After all, his sacrifice hasn't been extended to angels.t8,Flesh is the nature we share with the animals. Flesh is our animal nature. The mind of Christ was Divine alone.thinker

Seeking said:Quote What version do you use that translates “worry” in verse 38 where the versions I read use “care”? In verrse 41 you again insert “worried” where the versions I read say “feared.”Seeking,You're correct that it says they “feared” which of course we know has a strong element of worry to it. I fail to see how your parsing words will…[Read more]

942767 wrote:Quote Is it a written law that all those with a human nature must worry?It is a natural law that all those with a human nature must worry. Jesus never worried. Therefore, He did not have a human “nature.”thinker

Seeking said:Quote To walk in the flesh is not, as Thinker attributed it, to serve the law according to the letter.But Paul said,Quote For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions which were aroused by the law were at work in our members to bear fruit to death. But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held…[Read more]

Quote (SEEKING @ Mar. 17 2009,05:42)Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 16 2009,08:21)Quote This narrative shows that it is human nature to worry and that Jesus never worried. If Jesus never worried then He did not have a human nature. ALL THOSE WITH A HUMAN NATURE MUST WORRY.Can we make this same application of grief and sorrow?If not, why not?Mat 26:38…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ Mar. 17 2009,07:01)seeking…………….Gal 5:18………..> is the key verse ……….> but if your are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law (should read under LAW, with the definite article (the ) there. So paraphrased,  it means a person lead by the Spirit to keep the LORDS Commandment is not Keeping them by the way…[Read more]

Gene said:Quote Ask any Hebrew linguist and they will tell you that Elohim is a plural word meaning (POWERS) in fact even a standard concordance will tell you that Elohim means Power.Gene,Do you consider Strong's to be a standard concordance? It says that “elohim” especially refers to the supreme God (# 430). And Young's Analytical Concordance…[Read more]

Quote (SEEKING @ Mar. 16 2009,09:04)Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 15 2009,11:41)Quote Man is a plural unity. Man is called both “him” (singular) and “them” (plural).  So God is also called “Him” and “Us”. Another vastily inaccurate statement!Gen 1:27  So God created man (adam – singular) in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male a…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ Mar. 16 2009,13:06)thinker……….Jesus said God is a Spirit, and we are told there are seven spirits of GOD. So that does show a uniplural composition. And according to the Hebrew scholar Jeff Beanner , GOD is a uniplural word  Meaning (POWERS) a plural form of Powers. This agree with idea of the seven spirits (INTELLECTS)…[Read more]

Seeking said:Quote Wrong again!  You proved, by admission, that you think like Apolliniarius.  I believe I would be correct that he hadthe thoughts long before you did.  No man tells me what to believe?  Is Appolinarius female?Seeking,I originally said that no one tells me or dictates to me how to think. I investigated all the options and came to…[Read more]

Seeking wrote:Quote What part of the information is not accurate regarding what Apploinarian taught and you say you believe?Just tell me what it is about Apollinarius's teachings you want to talk about and we'll take it from there.Quote If none, the source, Catholic Church or not, reported accurately.You should have said, “…Catholic Church or…[Read more]

theodorej said:Quote Thinker…..Instead of throwing our hands up and getting drunk….Why don't we pray for wisdom and understanding so as to conduct a reasonable session with discourse that has the ability to reveal truth….That is what studing the scripture is purposed for…..To pray for wisdom and understanding is a futile exercise if the…[Read more]

Gene said:Quote Jesus said the words He poke to us are spirit and they are life. What was SPIRIT and Life (WORDS), The FATHERS WORDS, not his WORDS. To lay clam to what is God the FATHERS is to steal glory,  and this is what trinitarians do they take the WORDS of the Father and apply them to Jesus, Something Jesus never did.Gene,You are correct…[Read more]

theodorj wrote:Quote Greetings thinker…….The Greek and Hebrew are replete with ambiguity….tj,Then let's all just thow our hands in the air and get drunk because the Bible cannot be understood. It is “ambiguous” so why should we bother? And if it's ambiguous then non-trinitarians cannot speak with any certainty themselves.Quote For example…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ Mar. 16 2009,06:40)thinker………..as i said before Logos (WORD) can not ever (BE)Flesh, (it) can only come to dwell in flesh. The word (intellect) was in Jesus because it was given Him through the (Christos) or Anointing of (HOLY SPIRIT) or HOLY INTELLECT. Not Because He preexisted with it before, But he recieved the (in grafted…[Read more]

Theodorej said:Quote Thinker…..When you look at the exchange between Jesus and Nicodemus with respect to being born again,you find that Nicodemus' response was one of literal interpretation as for he failed to grip the spiritual message about being born again.. tj,I think your reply to me is according to what Gene thinks I am saying and not…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ Mar. 16 2009,04:53)thinker…….all these things you have stated are symbolic, and are not to be taken literial , So people think that the wine actually turns to blood when they drink it, and the bread turns into flesh when they eat it, These are just symbols to cause us to relate to the death of Jesus for our sins, and He was…[Read more]

theodorej wrote:Quote ….Do the math…it adds up to one ( 1)…..and he is God,the word is his means to create and his spirit is the essence of his power….tj,Please note Genesis 1:27,Quote So God created man in His own image; in the image of God he created him; male and female He created them.Man is a plural unity. Man is called both “him”…[Read more]