Nick said:Quote So Jesus has a God.His God is our God, the one true God.But Christ's God still addressed His Son as “God”. And then said, “Your throne….” You did not comment on the statement in Hebrews which says that the Son created time. WHY?thinker

Kerwin said:Quote I want to point out that despite the “letters” being addressed to the angels of the seven churches it is clear that they were meant to be heard by at least all the specific seven churches the whole book of Revelations was addressed to and I believe by all Christians even though they were not the ones literally written too.I agr…[Read more]

Gene told Nick:Quote Spirit and angel or messenger are not the sameGene,The words “spirit” and “messenger” may refer to the same. Hebrews 1 says that “angels” are ministering “spirits.” thinker

Thinker said:Quote But it may also be pointed out that the distribution of the book was NOT entrusted to John either Kerwin replied:…In this case scripture does not tell us how John's letter of prophesy was sent to those outside of Patmos and from what I observe we are speculating based on little evidence, which I am not even sure is reliable.I…[Read more]

Thinker said:Quote Besides, Jesus explicitly said that He had sent His own angel to see to it that the book was distributed Kerwin replied:Quote I can see your argument but it is my impression Jesus is the speaking of the angel who brought the message to John trusting John to forward the message to those who needed to hear it.Kerwin,I have thought…[Read more]

Seeking said:Quote Where does the scripture you posted mention banishing?Where does the scripture “expressly declare” he was banished for preachig?  Just continue to ignore the text and express your opinion as fact.It says that John was banished on account of the word of God and account of the testimony of Jesus.Seeking said:Quote Poor reading…[Read more]

Thinker said to Seeking:Quote You speak as if yours and Gene's theory is not a “mailman” theory too. Do you think that John was permitted to check in and out on the ferry boat from Patmos to the mainland and back everyday?   Seeking replied:Quote Banishment to an island was a common mode of punishment; and there was a distinction made by this act…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 23 2009,09:18)Hi tt,So if God shows that His son and men and angels can be called gods does that threaten His place as being the one true God?Nick,The text says that the Son has a name that is “so much better” than the angels. Therefore, when the Father addressed the Son as “God” it meant exactly that.thinker

Quote (Gene @ Mar. 22 2009,04:09)thinker ………we all were fore known, and predestinations as scripture says , but did we come into existence before we were born into the world , I think not, we were only foreordained by GOD and were manifested (brought into existence) in our time , Interestingly Peter say the Same thing about Jesus, “For He…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 21 2009,20:25)Hi tt, Did you bring your children into the world?So back to the question where does heb 1 say what you claim it does?Nick, The word “brought” does not mean that the Son was created. It says in verse 2 that the ages (aions) were created through Christ. So Jesus created time. And in verse 8 the Father…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ Mar. 23 2009,06:46)Thinker………the seven Spirits are of one (UNIT of POWERS) and all seven of these powers are in control of by (ONE LORD)  “Hear O Isral the (LORD) our God (Powers) is (ONE LORD) not one GOD< However with that said Jesus Said when Praying to THE FATHER, FOR THOU ART THE (ONLY) TRUE GOD. The thou was the FATHER…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ Mar. 23 2009,06:13)Thinker …………John was told to write it in a book and send it, right brother.love and peace to you and yours……………………………………….geneGene,John was told only to write the book. thinker

Kerwin wrote:Quote There were a whole lot more than seven churches.  I suppose you are asking if John was actually addressing those seven churches specifically or was he addressing seven stereotype churches that represent all churches and the names are not really important.   The seven indicating the complete Christian movement either at that t…[Read more]

Gene said:Quote To All……….the reason the Seven Spirits (intellects) are before the throne is Because they compose who and what GOD is, Jesus said GOD is SPIRIT, and they that worship Him must worship Him is spirit and truth, God Himself is composed of these Seven Spirits,and they are the (POWERS) that create and go Before the LORD God…[Read more]

Seeking said:Quote You feel Gene's interpretation is far fetched, I guess, and you counter with a “mailman” theory.Seeking,This whole subject has gotten comical now. You speak as if yours and Gene's theory is not a “mailman” theory too. Do you think that John was permitted to check in and out on the ferry boat from Patmos to the mainland and back…[Read more]

Kerwin said:Quote I believe the number seven symbolizes completeness to the Jews because the creation of the world was completed in seven days.Kerwin,So there were NOT seven churches?1.To the angel of the church of Ephesus write….2.To the angel of the church of Smyrna write….3.To the angel of the church of Pergamos write….4.To the angel of…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 22 2009,20:50)Hi tt, You seem to revere intellect but truth is found in sacred scripture.God is not obstructed…ever.Why was Stephen killed? Answer: To silence him. Why was John banished? Answer: To shut him up.Therefore, it would be counter productive of John's persecutors to allow John to have visitors who could…[Read more]

Gene said:Quote …so I hardly think they were some invisible spirit beings, as thinker and Nick portrays them.Gene,How do you know the seven spirits did not take a transient, human form? Angels took human form at the tomb after Jesus arose from the dead? An angel visited Peter in jail and “struck” Peter to wake him up. The spirit made physical…[Read more]

Seeking said:Quote But, as with your many other additions to scripture, where did you learn communication was disallowed?Seeking,I want to say that I am surprised you are contending with me on this issue rather than with Gene. My interpretation of the seven spirits is my reply to Gene's view that the seven spirits are “elohim” (powers). Gene's…[Read more]

Thinker said:Quote John was in exile and not allowed to have visitors. Seeking replied:Quote Where in scripture do you learn this?Where do I learn what? Where do I learn that John was exiled to Patmos? Or where do I learn that free communication was disallowed? Be specific in your question.Seeking said:Quote Is not the number seven used frequently…[Read more]