Seeking said:Quote Help me here.  If Steve's truth is only half the truth and,therefore, according to your logic, “a falshood” –  what does your  “truth” statement add up to since it too is only halftruth?  Another falsehood?Hi Seeking,I acknowledge that the Father was Christ's God. I accept also that the Father called Christ “God” (Heb. 1:1…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 25 2009,08:50)Hi TT,Jesus did tell us the Father is his God.Jn2017Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. Do you think he is the God of the FATHER?Nick,The Father addressed…[Read more]

Seeking said:Quote Point is – Angels have wills of their own, therefore they must be like Jesus, “much more than a mere messenger that carries a message”, according to your logic.First, where does the Bible say that angels have wills of their own? Second, Jesus has a name that is “so much better” than the angels. His name is “so much better” that…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 25 2009,08:48)Hi tt, Angels are messengers.This was established aeons ago. Still don't get your point.thinker

Quote (Mr. Steve @ Mar. 25 2009,10:23)Hi Nick; Jesus said in the same night that the antichrist appears, one shall be taken and the other shall be left.  Mr. Steve,Jesus never said a word about the antichrist. Where do you get that? And the reference to the one being taken and the other left had nothing to do with a supposed “rapture.” It had to…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 25 2009,10:53)Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 25 2009,10:40)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 25 2009,09:10)Hi tt, When did Jesus stop being a man?The Son of man is yet a man and will return.Nick,First, the Son of Man is glorified in His heavenly body. According to Paul the heavenly body is invisible (2 Cor. 5). When on the road to…[Read more]

Quote (Mr. Steve @ Mar. 25 2009,09:07)Thinker:Reread all the epistles.  In every one the Father is the God of Christ.  Do you now accuse Paul, Peter, and John of negligence in referring to the Father as the God of Christ, too?Mr. Steve,You re-read all the epistles as well. For each one declares also that Christ is God. For example, in Hebrews 1…[Read more]

Quote (Cindy @ Mar. 25 2009,10:48)thethinker(“Second, He returned in ad70 and has been here since.”)Can you explain that a little, with biblical prove.GeorgGeorg,Shart a thread in the Bible prophecy forum and I will reply tomorrow. We should not clutter this thread with the subject of Christ's return.thinker

Mr. Steve said:Quote Jesus said, unless you believe that “I am” he, ye shall die in your sins.MR. S,Jesus did not say “I am he“. He said,Quote Unless you believe that I AM you shall die in your sinsThe word “he” is not in the Greek text. Jesus said you must believe that “I am.”  The Jew who rejected that Jesus is “I am” was eternally damned.thinker

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 25 2009,09:10)Hi tt, When did Jesus stop being a man?The Son of man is yet a man and will return.Nick,First, the Son of Man is glorified in His heavenly body. According to Paul the heavenly body is invisible (2 Cor. 5). When on the road to Damascus He appeared to Paul who was blinded by His glory. Second, He returned in…[Read more]

Quote (Mr. Steve @ Mar. 25 2009,08:44)Thinker:Do you believe the Father is the God of Christ?Mr. Steve,The Father was (past tense) the God of Christ when Christ was a man. Christ is no longer a man but has returned to the glory he had with the Father before the world began (John 17:5). Now that Christ has returned to His glory He holds the rank he…[Read more]

t8 said:Quote Sorry thinker, but God is one. God is the Father. God has a son. These are written.I think that you are so saturated with your Trinity Doctrine that you are unable to be objective when presented with alternatives to your view.I think that you need to rethink your theology thinker and be open to not being biased toward your own…[Read more]

Gene said:Quote David……….The word Elohim is a plural unit of POWERS all acting as one.Gene,You are helping Trinitarians more than you think bro. For Trinitarians also say that elohim means a “plural unit acting as one.” The difference between you and I here is that for you these “powers” are impersonal but for me they are personal.If we…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 25 2009,06:10)Hi tt, We are the new temple. Jesus rules the world from Jerusalem in the milleniumThen we're not in the last says. You can't have it both ways.thinker

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 25 2009,06:11)Hi tt, Angels have wills and some are in chains because of that fact.Your point being…?thinker

Quote (Mr. Steve @ Mar. 25 2009,08:06)To the thinker; Jesus said his Father is his God.  That pretty much clarifies the relationship between God and Christ.Greetings Mr. Steve,And the Father addressed His Son as God (Heb. 1:8). So your truth is only half truth. And a half truth is a falsehood.thinker

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 21 2009,11:12)Hi tt, Jn4 says that people will not pray to God in any particular place. That has nothing to do with King Jesus as he is not our God. He will rule from Jerusalem on the seat of DavidNick,You're right. Jerusalem has ceased to be the place of worship. This is how we know that the last days have passed. For in…[Read more]

Gene said:Quote the word (Spirit) and messenger can not be the same (person) because a word (expresed intellect) is a persons own intellect, but a messenger or angle is one who carries that message as Jesus was also.Gene,In a previous post you admitted that Jesus had a will of His own. Therefore, Jesus was much more than a mere “messenger” that…[Read more]

Gene said:Quote Thinker ……..yes Jesus had a Will, but you see thats was what the struggle was all about and if Jesus' would not have put His will to death then there would not Have been the forgiveness of our sins, and (BECAUSE) Jesus poured his Will out unto death therefore (GOD), His GOD and OUR GOD , has exulted Him to the Position He (NOW)…[Read more]

Nick said:Quote Hi tt,Is446Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. There is only one speaking and He is the Father of true IsraelNick,Go to the “goel” thread bro. You have just inferred that the Father became flesh. For the word “redeemer” means…[Read more]