Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 29 2009,12:38)Thinker,I looked through about 5 commentaries and found that they agree with the term “worlds” in Hebrew 11:3 and that it refers to the physical creation.  Here is just one of them:Heb 11:3Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 29 2009,09:44)Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 28 2009,12:49)Lightenup said:Quote Weren't the Hebrew Christians hoping for the new heavens and the new earth?Greetings again LU,Yes indeed! They were waiting for the COVENANTAL renewal of the heavens and the earth. All God's people today live under new covenant law. This is why we…[Read more]

Lightenup said:Quote Weren't the Hebrew Christians hoping for the new heavens and the new earth?Greetings again LU,Yes indeed! They were waiting for the COVENANTAL renewal of the heavens and the earth. All God's people today live under new covenant law. This is why we live without the fear that God will condemn us.thinker

Lightenup said:Quote I suggested that the term “worlds” allowed for the earth and the planets. The word is translated as universe in the NIV which includes the earth and the planets.  It would have been better to just say worlds like some versions of the Bible do and like Heb 11:3 does since it is a plural word.Greetings LU,The Vine's Expository…[Read more]

Lightenup said:Quote I have studied this before and your question caused me to review.  I believe that the NAS should have it read plural as “worlds” instead of “world.”  I suppose that could include the planets along with the earth since it is written in a plural form in the Greek.LU,Your supposition that the Greek “aion” refers to “planets” w…[Read more]

Nick said:Quote Any verse that refers to God except for the few about the Son and men and Satan is referring to our God who is the Father.  Nick, The above is your non-trinitarian supposition. All that's left for you to do now is to prove what you say.Nick quoted Jesus:Quote If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth…[Read more]

Quote (SEEKING @ Mar. 28 2009,07:00)Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 27 2009,08:50)There can be no arguing with it. The new testament “attributes” creation to the Son alone. And I challenge all here to disprove me.thinkerMar 13:19  For in those days there will be such tribulation as has not been from the beginning of the creation that God created until…[Read more]

Lightenup said:Quote This says that “He made the world.”  Who do you think that the “He” is?  I have written in paranthesis what I think the pronouns are being referred to.  Do you disagree?Heb 1:1-2God (the Father), after He (the Father) spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, 2 in these last days has sp…[Read more]

Seeking said:Quote Jesus took no action aside from the direction of his God and Father.  Jesus' task was to fulfill theresposibilty the Father took upon Himself by being obedient to the duties assigned to him….Granted, Jesus did the suffering and received the abuse after submitting himself to the Fathers will.Greetings Seeking,Do you grant also…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ Mar. 28 2009,03:37)Thinker ……..Show us the word (Jesus) in that scripture, you are assuming it means Jesus , but in fact it say (CHRISTOS) OR THE ANOINTING. is ALL in ALL.  The anointing is the ELOHIM or POWER of the ONE LORD. Jesus plainly said that it was the FATHER (IN) him doing the Work , nowhere does it say He was the ONE…[Read more]

Lightenup said:Quote What do you think the Father was doing during creation?LU,I said that there is not so much as one statement in the new testament that “attributes” creation to the Father. You and I may plan a ministry together but I may want to “attribute” all the success to you. Or you may want to “give” the credit to me. Anyway, in the new…[Read more]

Seeking said:Quote It does appear the Father did take the “full responsibilty”Yet the Father's flesh was not torn and His blood spilt. And then there is the Isaiah 9:6 problem,Quote And the government shall be upon His shoulders.When a matter is on YOUR shoulders it is YOUR responsibility. Did the Father die for you?thinker

Quote (Gene @ Mar. 27 2009,15:44)thinker……….So who made Him lower then the angles, was it Him or was it the one He said was the (ONLY TRUE GOD ) that did it. And are we to presume that Jesus was lying when He said that, or maybe did not really mean it brother.love and peace to you and…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ Mar. 28 2009,02:47)Thinker………Peter ask , if my brother sin against me and ask me to forgive him how many times should I, seven times, and Jesus said seventy times seventy in one day. Forgiving others of there sin is no for just for the apostles of Jesus but for us all. As far as being forgiven our sins against God the Father,…[Read more]

Kerwin said:Quote As you can see there were other disciples present when Jesus breathed on them.Kerwin, You are correct that there were disciples in addition to the eleven that received the power to remit sins. Did I say anything to the contrary?  Kerwin said:Quote I then considered that God acts through the Holy Spirit and thus anyone who is…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 27 2009,17:14)I have read John 20:19-24 and I cannot see where anyone reaches the conclusion that Jesus was speaking just to those who lead the church since we are told the “disciples” were gathered together.  It is true that the 12 Apostles are disciples but so are any other students of Jesus and in fact we know two of the…[Read more]

Gene said to Thinker:Quote I never said that GOD created everything by Himself, I said the (LORD) created everything alone and by HIMSELF, And i am not the one saying that I quoted it from the book of Isaiah, Those were not my words but scriptures brother. The LORD created everything using His Elohim (POWERS).Nick asked Gene:Quote So God used…[Read more]

Gene said:Quote thinker…………your theory and others falls apart seeing the LORD GOD said He created all things by His SELF Alone.But now Gene says:Quote Thinker……I never said that GOD created everything by Himself, I said the (LORD) created everything alone and by HIMSELF, And i am not the one saying that I quoted it from the book of…[Read more]

LightenUp said:Quote Hi Thinker,I disagree that the Father had no part in creation because of this verse:1 Cor 8:66 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.Greetings LU,The “all things” in the passage you cited do NOT…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 27 2009,06:24)Hi tt, Jesus has never been fully equal to the Father.He was GIVEN functional equality just as Joseph was for Pharoah. If he had to be given power and authority by scriptural principles he was the lesser.Heb77And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better.Nick,You say “functional equality.”…[Read more]