Seeking pointed out:Quote It is clear in scripture that the Father refers to the Son as “God”, yet the Father is the Son's God.Heb 1:8-98 But of the Son He says, “YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER, AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM. 9 “YOU HAVE LOVED RIGHTEOUSNESS AND HATED LAWLESSNESS; THEREFORE GOD, YOUR GOD, HAS…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 31 2009,08:40)Hi tt, We have yet to see Is 24.The 1000 year reign is well shown in sacred scripture-Rev20.Nick,The word is “thousands of years” in Revelation 20. thinker

Seeking said:Quote Without the Father there would be no son.  As another puts it, that is reality.Seeking's statement above infers that the Holy Spirit is the literal “father” of Jesus. The physical “reality” is that Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit and not the Father. So the term “Father” in reference to Christ's relationship to God was a…[Read more]

Seeking said:Quote Two  sides to every coin.If Seeking really believed there were two sides to every coin he would admit that our salvation was a shared responsibility on the part of Christ and the Father. He would ask himself, “Why was Christ rewarded and seated at the right hand of God?”Hey Seeking, what about this? If it was the Father's full…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ Mar. 31 2009,06:32)Thinker ………..The Christos, is the Spirit anoninting in all true Christians. It is not Jesus the man as some assume it the the Christos or the Anointing that is in all who have it and in Jesus also. Jesus has the (fullness) of the Christos's as scripture says. But having the Seven Spirits of (from) GOD…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 31 2009,06:55)G, There will be more than the saints present during this time. Natural men shall survive the tribulation.Nick,What Bible are you reading man? The tribulation came to pass in Jesus' own generation. He told His disciples that THEY would see it. There is no millennium.thinker

Georg said;Quote God had promised to bring the Israelites back, and he did; Israel even became a nation again in 1948. It is this generation that will not pass til all things be fulfilled.Georg,No! In the Olivet Discourse Jesus said that their house would remain “desolate.” Therefore, 1948 has absolutely no prophetic significance whatsoever.thinker

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 31 2009,03:48)The Thinker wrote:Quote Jesus was not “good.”I have no problem confessing that Jesus is not good since it is Father within him that is was doing the good works we see Jesus doing as Jesus himself stated “he does nothing by himself.”John 5:19(NIV)Jesus gave them this answer: “I tell you the truth, the Son can do…[Read more]

To All,Seeking is still stubbornly saying that Proverbs 8 teaches that Christ was a co-creator. Yet the supposed co-creator in Proverbs 8 is a “she.” The literary style used was personification. He doesn't care about the fact that Proverbs was written in poetic form.And Seeking offers many statements inwhich Christ said that all things were…[Read more]

Quote (Cindy @ Mar. 30 2009,21:52)NickHave you ever wondered what this scripture means?Isa 9:7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform…[Read more]

Seeking said to WJ:Quote Note carefully the text you cite says, “This commandment have I received of my Father.”  The father took resposibilty,issued the command, and the son obeyed.Seeking's hypothesis: “The father took resposibilty,issued the command, and the son obeyed.”Real life experience: The Father issued the command, the Son took the…[Read more]

Thinker said to Gene:Quote Verse 1 says that “Christos” is seated at the right hand of God. This is Jesus. And Paul says that He is “all in all” (vs. 11). And until He yields to the Father He remains “all in all.”Deal with it bro!Nick replied:Quote ummmIt appears as if my point is very hard to resist. Not even Nick could brew up a reply.thinker

Nick, LU,Thanks for your thoughts and prayers. I have thought about the issue of Guy's returning to work and have decided that I will require a doctor's release/note. I have a very small business with only two employees. I could not afford to be sued.thinker

To All,Our brother Seeking is trying to argue from Proverbs 8 that Christ was a co-creator. But Solomon was using personification for the wisdom of God. This is proven by the use of the feminine pronoun in reference to God's wisdom.Quote Does not wisdom cry out, and understanding lift up her voice? She takes her stand on top of the high…[Read more]

Lightenup said:Quote Seeking,I see Proverbs to give us a clue about the Son helping during creation also and agree with much that you have recently written.LU,Solomon was using personification in Proverbs 8. The book is highly poetic in nature and offers no support for the notion that Christ assisted the Father in creation. It is wisdom personified…[Read more]

Seeking said:Quote Hear Jesus as to what he does on his own without the Fathers direction.  JN 5:19-20 Jesus gave them this answer: “I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does.jn.5:30 By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear,…[Read more]

Seeking said:Quote I get it!  To present a view other than yours is to “only want to poke holes” in it.  For you to challenge the view of another is to “study.”  Thanks for the enlightenment.Seeking,I asked you to answer the example I provided from Abraham's faith. You did not. You rather found a “hole” in my logic which was correct. I co…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 30 2009,07:02)Hi tt, God gave creation the instructions to go forth and multiply. Does that make them creators too?Huh?thinker

Quote (SEEKING @ Mar. 30 2009,01:56)Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 27 2009,16:47)LU,Your supposition that the Greek “aion” refers to “planets” won't work because the only dirt the Hebrew Christians knew was the soil on which they walked. So put yourself in the shoes of the original recipients. You say that “aion” in Hebrews 1:1-2 means “planets.” Yet…[Read more]

Seeking said:Quote Heb 11:38  of whom the world was not worthy–wandering about in deserts and mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth.   And all these, though commended through their faith, did not receive what was promised,   since God had provided something better for us, that apart from us they should not be made perfect. That which wa…[Read more]