Nick said:Quote Jn854Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God: Of course God wasn't the sacrificial propitiation.God does not die.  A man had to die for men.Nick,Whew! I am glad that you have confessed that Jesus alone is the propitiation for our sins. This is…[Read more]

Gene said:Quote Not to Jesus, but to GOD. GOD (SPOKE) to us in times past (THROUGH) the Prophets has now spoken to us (THROUGH) A SON. Point is who was speaking , it says GOD SPOKE (TROUGH) THEM, and that includes the Prophets also. imoGene,The Scripture says this,Quote The Father sent the Son TO BE the Savior of the world (1 John 4:14)If the…[Read more]

t8 said:Quote Moses was a type of savour and even angels are there to save us from physical calamity.t8,Moses was but a “type” of savior. But Jesus was indeed THE Savior. Second, t8 said:Quote Jesus said I only do that which I see my Father doing.The Father did not suffer and die on the cross. In the moment of Jesus death the Father forsook Him.…[Read more]

t8 wrote:Quote think about this.When you are referring to a group of people, do you say HIM, HIS, etc. No you say them, they, etc. So if your God is a group, then call them “THEY” & “THEM” etc.Hi t8,First, I have pointed out several times in different forums that Elohim said “Let US make man in OUR image. So God is referred to both in the singular…[Read more]

Nick said:Quote Hi WJ,God is the only saviour.He uses His saviour son as the gate of the WayNick,I went through the concordance and found how many times the word “Saviour” is used. Here is what I found:God: 10 timesChrist: 13 timesFather: 0 timesGod and Christ: 2 timesHere is one example of God and Christ:Quote Looking for the blessed hope and…[Read more]

WJ said to Seeking:Quote Seriously, you need to take a deep breath, and try to understand what is being said. I am really starting to think that you have a real problem engaging in serious dialogue and comprehending post especially when they are long.WJ,This why I keep my posts to Seeking at a minimum in words. There definitely is something wrong…[Read more]

Lightenup said:Quote Thinker,I know that is confusing with the two saying that they each will raise up Christ from the dead but I have a simple explanation.What did the angel say when the women came to the tomb early this first day of the week after Jesus was crucified?Matt 28:5-65 And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye; for I…[Read more]

Seeking said to WJ:Quote Do you hold “thinkers” view that non-trinitarians are immature and that their parents must not have schooled them properly!Seeking,I will NOT charge your parents for your butcher job on John's narrative. You whited out verses 20-21 of the narrative and inserted to verses from another narrative in their place Quote Joh 2:19…[Read more]

WJ said to Seeking:Quote I believe all the scriptures in that I believe both the Father and the Son together raised his Body.You only believe the Father did, therefore whiting out Jesus words.WJ,Seeking rearranged John's narrative to suit his purposes. In my post immediately above I noted it.Note how John wrote it,Quote Destroy this temple and in…[Read more]

Quote (SEEKING @ April 04 2009,10:13)Joh 2:19  Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”Joh 5:19  So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of his own accord, For whatever the Father does, that the Son does likewise. but only what he sees the Father doing.Joh 5:30“I can do n…[Read more]

Quote (SEEKING @ April 04 2009,10:13)Joh 2:19  Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”Joh 5:19  So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of his own accord, For whatever the Father does, that the Son does likewise. but only what he sees the Father doing.Joh 5:30“I can do n…[Read more]

To All,The apostle John clearly said that Jesus was talking about the temple of his body.Quote Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up. Then the Jews said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and you will raise it up in three days?” BUT HE WAS SPEAKING OF THE TEMPLE OF HIS BODY, Therefore, when He had risen from…[Read more]

To All,I have conversed with Stuart and we may be taking this over to “General Stuff” pending his reply.thinker

Seeking sdaid:Quote I believe I have asked this in the past, perhaps not of you,with no concrete YES/NO answer; Is belief or non-belief in the trinitarian doctrine a matter of salvation?It all depends on how far you will go with your conclusions. Is Christ alone your Savior? Or do you deny the name and the honor the Father has given to Jesus? If…[Read more]

Lightenup said:Quote I know that is confusing with the two saying that they each will raise up Christ from the dead but I have a simple explanation.Greetings LU,Your “simple” explanation amounts to a denial of your own views. According to non-trinitarians Christ's statement “I and the Father are one” means that the two act as ONE. But concerning…[Read more]

WJ said:Quote To me it seems that for you to comprehend what I say I have to be more careful with my words, for if not I suppose you will resort to patronizing and a mean Spirit and accusing me falsely.Exactly! For non-trinitarians every word must be spelled out like with children. They cannot comprehend otherwise.thinker

Seeking said:Quote PASSIVE IN THE GREEK MEANS THE SUBJECT WAS ACTED UPON  GOD ACTED UPON JESUS AND RAISED HIM.To All,Our brother Seeking is again pitting Scripture against Scripture. Jesus said,Quote Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up….He was speaking of the temple of His body.(John 2:19-21)Uh, guess what brother…Jesus…[Read more]

Seeking said:Quote “Thinker” admits it is from “necessary inference” which, though a valid method of interpretation, is the least preferred.  Can you at least admit to that since the words, “I don't have scripture”apparently can not flow from your lips!  Preferred methods  of interpretation would be WRITTEN WORD the APPROVED EXAMPLE finally NE…[Read more]

Seeking said:Quote No, I DON”T know anything of the kind.  You exist don't you?  Why can't there be others?Seeking,If you say that you did not know that Apollinarianism is virtually nonexistant I take your word for it. It was more than reasonable for me to assume that you did because you have posted information on Apollinarianism here. I said t…[Read more]

Seeking said:Quote As has been asked of those with trinitarian convictions in the past, show one bible passage – old or new testament – that SPECIFICALLY talks of a trinity regradless of the trinity version you choose Appoliarian or not.Seeking,God is a plural unity. Even Gene who is a non-trinitarian agrees though he impersonalizes Elohim. It is…[Read more]