Quote (kejonn @ April 07 2009,03:40)Quote (thethinker @ April 06 2009,09:55)God is the first cause for man's corruptibility. So it's not a matter of God's supposed incompotency. It is a matter of PURPOSE.thinkerClassic, so your god designed us to fail. If you bought a vehicle with brakes designed to fail, would you take it in stride and blame…[Read more]

Quote (gollamudi @ April 06 2009,19:32)Hi brother Gene,Thanks for such pain you have taken to explain to brother Nick that Jesus never preexisted as some alleged being next to God the Father and created everything alone in this universe. But I doubt whether he ever can agree with you or me because he and others are led by this myth called…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ April 07 2009,04:35)Nick………. yes i do Nick and it doesn't conflict with any of the meanings i have posted .Without intelligence your God would not have any love or anything else for that matter, You cant separate one from the other as you and some try to. Love is and emotion brought about by ones INTELLECT or KNOWLEDGE . For…[Read more]

Seeking said:Quote We know who sent Jesus!  Who put up the lightening rod?But who took the strike?”Seeking” (so called) delights in pitting Scripture against Scripture. And his idea that the Father took full responsibility is not true to every day experience. The name “Jesus” means “He shall save” (Matt. 1:21)  Therefore, by his own logic “…[Read more]

Lightenup said:Quote It was the third day that He ascended to the Father to complete His resurrection.  Then He came back that same day and showed Himself to the disciples for the first time since His death.  It was many days later that He ascended to heaven and left the disciples with the comforter as I understand it.LU,You said that Jesus a…[Read more]

Stu said:Quote To tell someone he has Type 2 diabetes because of lifestyle factors is fair, but for someone with Type 1 diabetes it is just nasty to blame that on sin.Stu,The creation was made corruptible from the beginning. God ordained the corruptible to be first and then the incorruptible.Paul observed: Quote However, the spiritual…[Read more]

Lightenup said:Quote You ask how the Father could be the propitiation for our sins.  I don't know that it says He (the Father) was.  In 1 John 2:2 it speaks of the Son being the propitiation of our sins.LU,The Father was not the propitiation for our sins. He sent the Son to be the propitiation for our sins (1 John 4:10). A “propitiation” r…[Read more]

“Seeking” said:Quote FATHER TAKES “FULL RESPONSIBILTY” AND FULLYPROVIDES HIS SON.  THE FATHER DOES THIS OF HIS OWN ACCORD.To All,The inspired Scriptures say of Jesus that He Himself is the propitiation for our sins (1 John 2:2). It says also that the Father sent the Son to be the propitiation (1 John 4:10).From this “Seeking” infers that the…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ April 05 2009,21:44)The Thinker wrote:Quote how could He have raised up His body?The only scriptures I remember say God raised Jesus from the dead.  I do not remember any that say he raised himself from the dead.  Perhaps you can please refresh my memory.  Thank you.Greetings Kerwin,Now you have another Scripture to store in yo…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 05 2009,20:48)Hi TT, Jesus died. He really did die.Mt27 50And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice, and yielded up His spirit. Jas2 26For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead. 1 Thessalonians 4:14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep…[Read more]

Lightenup said:Quote Keith and Thinker,I am not questioning whether Jesus had the power or not to give Himself life after He died…that is a difficult concept though because; how could He give Himself life if He is dead?  Both the Father and Son were actively involved in the resurrection, that is the main thing.  That does not mean that they a…[Read more]

Lightenup said:Quote Jesus and the Father are both our Saviour.  Could the Son be our Savior without the Father establishing the whole idea of sacrifice and then sending His Son to us and then accepting the sacrifice???  Could the Father be our Savior without the Son's willingness and obedience to the death of the cross???  Neither one could be ou…[Read more]

Nick said:Quote Is the Father NOT your God?He is the God of Jesus whom we follow.Yes the Father is my God. And I back up my claim by honoring the Son,Quote If I honor Myself My honor is nothing. It is My Father who honors Me, of whom you say he is your God (John 8:54) Jesus told the Jews that the Father honors Him and then inferred that if they…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 05 2009,11:00)Hi tt, You are right in that it was in the quote. Jesus in this scripture differentiates himself from God Whom he identifies as the Father.He does not worship himself as he is not God and we follow his example in the vine honouring him and obeying himNick,You did not answer my question. The Son did not…[Read more]

Thethinker said:Quote Nick,Earlier today you correctly pointed out that if Jesus honored Himself then His honor meant nothing. But you ignored the part that says, “The Father honors Me.” Okay, Jesus said that His self honor means nothing. But what does the Father's honor of Him mean? So my question is two-fold to you now:a. What does the Father's…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 05 2009,09:15)Hi tt, Men decided God was a trinity by reason. They should rather rely on scripture. Such a statement is never found in the mouths of God's servants.Reason is a pathetic measure of truth.The word is truthNick,Earlier today you correctly pointed out that if Jesus honored Himself then His honor meant…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ April 04 2009,15:46)Nick……if you think Jesus preexisted as a Super being or demigod or angle of some kind then He is not just a man, You talk out of both sides of your mouth , On the one hand you say He preexisted and created everything, and on the Other hand you perceive him as a true man, exactly like were are. Your vacillation…[Read more]

Nick said:Quote God purchased us with the loss of His own flesh and blood son.Nick,The text in Acts clearly says that God shed his own blood. Therefore, the name “God” is undoubtedly a reference to the Son.thinker

Nick said:Quote God does not offer Himself as a sacrifice.If you are saved through Jesus the son and given saviour then God is your Saviour.Acts 20:28:Quote Feed the church of GOD which he has purcahsed with His own bloodDid the Father shed His own blood? You just said that “God does not offer Himself as a sacrifice.” Therefore, the name “God”…[Read more]

Nick said:Quote Hi tt,God is the Saviourthrough Jesus for us.No! The Father sent the Son TO BE the Savior of the world (1 John 4:14).thinker