kejonn said;Quote And what is the root cause? The fall of man? Whenever someone asks “why” Christians typically answer with “God made perfection, humans ruined it”. That is why I said your response was full of tired worn-out dogma. That is what you said, basically. God created a perfect world, gave man free will, and man used his free will to mess…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ April 19 2009,08:41)Can one of the moderators please delete all the smut on this website please and ban of the guy who is posting it all? Some of it has been sitting there for days. This is totally unacceptable.I am a man and I am tempted like other men. However, the cry to ban the porn admits defeat.thinker

Kerwin said:Quote I agree since God did say He would put His spit on His servant which means Jesus is not equal to God or he would not be God's servant. WJ replied:Quote Spoken by a true Unitarian who sees Jesus through his Arian glasses and not the scriptures in Phil 2:6-8 and other places.WJ,Well done! The Unitarian would rather pit Scripture…[Read more]

bodhitarta said:Quote Grace and blesings be to you all in the name of The Merciful and Compassionate God our Father and the Father and God of Christ Jesus.bodhitarta,Do you suppose that Jesus Himself was less compassionate than the “true God” when He took spitting in the face and laid down His life for you? Jesus said:Quote Greater love has no one…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ April 08 2009,12:51)Hi thethinker:You say:Quote However, we are in agreement that sin is not the first cause. God is the first cause for man's corruptibility. So it's not a matter of God's supposed incompotency. It is a matter of PURPOSE.Please elaborate on this.  I am not so sure that I agree with this statement.Love in…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 01 2008,10:00)Hi E, You say as if such a choice is invalid”1. Either you're for me or against me.”But Jesus says”He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.” He made the choice of him and his teachings to be necessarily exclusive of other men and their teachings, such as…[Read more]

Quote (david @ April 12 2009,12:14)I think this thread should be closed on grounds that is insanely absurd.david.David,I agree. For as long as this thread remains open I am reminded of the fact that my non-trinitarian brethren served me a huge piece of humble pie. I am still feeling the gastro-intestinal effects. thinker

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 11 2009,10:24)Hi SEEKINGQuote (SEEKING @ April 11 2009,10:05)Thinker says…Quote The Father and the Son ALWAYS act as oneNot so!  They act independently in accordance with their role,and their roles are different.  We already covered this though our opinions may vary.Can you give us an example where Jesus acted i…[Read more]

Seeking said:Quote I disagree that Christ is the creator, God is IMO. I must take total exception to your statement as to what Eph.2 states regarding creating the new man -Eph 2:4-5 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ–by grace…[Read more]

Thinker said:Quote However, the text clearly implies that the Father is NOT “all in all” now.  Seeking replied:Quote I do not see the “implication” but will grant it to you.  Seeking,I don't get it. You do not see the implication that the Father is NOT “all in all” now but will grant it anyway? Bizarre to say the least!Seeking said:Quote I see t…[Read more]

Lightenup said:Quote Hi Thinker,I know that it is the deep parts of the earth.  I don't think that the passage is to be taken so literally but just to apply to Jesus buried within the earth.  The passage says that He was brought up from the dead not brought up from amongst the living souls of the departed or from satan and his angels.  For th…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 10 2009,08:35)Hi TT, So Jesus was a separate being from God?Nick,Paul said that Jesus existed in the form of God. We have not seen God's form. It says that He made Himself nothing and took the form of a servant. Non-trinitarians do not incorporate this fact into their Christology. They think that Christ was necessarily a…[Read more]

To my non-trinitarian brethren,I apologize for my erroneous claims about non-trinitarians here. Both trinitarians and non-trinitarians have good and bad history.Forgive me,thinker

Quote (Gene @ April 08 2009,03:52)Nick………..Yes Scriptures but you don't accept them and that is obvious unless they meet you dogmas or assumed interpretations. Parroting Scriptures is ussless if you don't understand them. IMOlove and peace to you and yours…………………………………geneGene,I agree with you on this one bro.…

Quote (chosenone @ April 08 2009,12:44)My opinion.God created His son 'Jesus”, He was…”Gods creative original” (Rev.3:14)  and also…”Who is the Image of the invisible God, Firstborn of every creature” (Co.1:15).  He (Jesus) was the first and only creation of God,  ALL ELSE was created 'by Jesus', through the power of God… “for in Him (J…[Read more]

Seeking said:Quote Throughout, Jesus continuously emphasizes his dependence on the father for ability and authority (v.19, 21, 26, 27, 30)Seeking,Trinitarians agree that the Son always acted in union with the Father. This is because He took the form of a servantQuote Have this mind in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who though He was in the…[Read more]

Quote (SEEKING @ April 09 2009,12:12)Quote (thethinker @ April 08 2009,16:13)Quote BUT…. Paul did not say that Christ would yield to the Father so that the Father could be “all in all.” He said that Christ would yield to the Father so that GOD could be “all in all.” 1Co 15:24  Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father…[Read more]

Okay Guys,You got me. I stand to be corrected.thinker

Quote (SEEKING @ April 09 2009,10:19)Quote (thethinker @ April 08 2009,14:06)Did the angel have one too many beers when He told Joseph to name the child “Jesus”? The name “Jesus” cannot truly and properly be true of Christ if the Father took “full” responsibility in our salvation (IMO).thinkerJesus is everything name the Father has attributed to…[Read more]

Quote One thing I admire about Gene is that, virtually all if not all. his posts end in IMO.  I state what is IMO.  Some may be troubled by any opinion but their own.  No degree in relgion and/or logic is needed to realize we are are discussing what has been debated for decades.  I regret but take no responsibilty for the fact that an opinion oth…[Read more]