Quote (Gene @ April 21 2009,03:05)thinker………Nick is right brother, Scripture shows Jesus' Authority is a temporary one, because he turns over rule to GOD the FATHER at the End of HIS reign and becomes subject to the FATHER also, as  I Cor 15:28 says. love and peace………………geneGene,But until then Jesus is ALL IN ALL (Colossians 3).…[Read more]

Lightenup said:Quote Thinker and Keith,The context already has established that the “Word” was there.  The things that came into being are the other things that came into being through the one who was the “Word.”Kathi,It doesn't say “other” things. You're putting words into John's mouth.thinker

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 21 2009,10:13)Hi WJ, I am not surprised you need to ask how to follow Jesus Christ of Nazareth.He was a man just like you, Spiritually anointed, just as you could be.He did not worship himself as god as you seem to do.We should follow him and worship God.We can follow a man.Nick,When Thomas addressed Jesus as “My Lord…[Read more]

Lightenup said:Quote I can't tell you how GOD would reproduce, He doesn't tell us those details. Kathi,So you do think that God reproduced? This is a pagan idea. I do NOT mean to say that you are pagan. However, the idea is pagan.LU said:Quote It tells us that the one who came in the flesh was begotten of God, born of God and that He was in the…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 22 2009,07:32)Hi tt, Men make gods in their image and it shows their small view of God.God is Spirit and he begat a son.Nick,How did God beget a son? If God is spirit how did He beget?BTW, to “beget” is NOT to create.thinker

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 22 2009,07:39)Hi TT, No it is having life IN oneself.We need to know it is the life of God After all it is the life we hope to inherit  Of course if the Father gave him any form of life then the trinity is proven to be a myth.Nick,Jesus clearly said that the Father has attributed the Son to have life IN HIMSELF. This is…[Read more]

Lightenup said:Quote BTW, your trinitarian brothers do not seem to agree that the verse we were discussing about the Son being “given” life referred to the ascribing of self-existence.KathiKathi,Jesus did not say that the Father gave “life” to Him. He said that the Father gave Him to “have life IN HIMSELF.” This is self-existence! Quote For as the…[Read more]

WorshipingJesus said to Kathi:Quote You say that Jesus came into being. John says that nothing came into being without him.Amen! One does not need a degree in rocket science to undertsand such a simple statement.thinker

Lightenup said:Quote Good grief why would God who is complete need a counterpart to reproduce?  Man needs a helpmate, God does not.Kathi,Agreed. Then why do you say that Jesus is the “literal” Son of God? Explain yourself for it looks like ancient paganism to me. How is Jesus the “literal” Son of God if the Father did not consummate with another…[Read more]

Lightenup said:Quote I believe in a literal Son of God and you don't.Kathi,Since you believe that Jesus was a “literal” Son then you must accept that God has a penis. Again, you need to cast off your modern, western ideas about sonship in reference to Jesus and start all over again.Self-existence is self-existence. The Father ascribed…[Read more]

Lightenup asked:Quote Thinker,Where does it say that the Father says His Son is self-existent?Hi Kathi,The Father ascribes self-existence to the Son,Quote For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has given the Son to have life in Himself (John 5:26)Self-existence cannot be given in the sense that it is imparted. If it was imparted it could not…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ April 21 2009,08:25)The Thinker:Quote Yeap! Please explain your problem with it.That is an Adoptionist argument and I did not think you were an Adomptionist.  I say that since Jesus must have been non-God in order to be appointed God just like a person is not a U.S. Supreme Court Justice before the President appoints them one.That…[Read more]

Lightenup said:Quote A Son cannot have always existed nor be self-existent otherwise he would not be a son.  If he were not a son but always existed in the past, then he would have no father.  If He always existed, He would not have a father and would not be a son.  Therefore you are the one with the oxymoron when you claim a son to be et…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ April 21 2009,08:14)But you are an adult, right?  And you have developed the faculty to understand that there is inherently nothing wrong with the naked body itself, and that pornography represents a fantasy and not a reality so there is understanding of what the pictures are and what they are not?I find it somewhat ironic that…[Read more]

Lightenup said:Quote Thinker,I never suggested that the Son was given self-existence,If self existence was not given (imparted) to the Son, then the Father “gave” (ascribed, or confessed) to the Son what He already had.OZ NEVER DID GIVE NOTHING TO THE TIN MAN,THAT HE DIDN'T, DIDN'T ALREADY HAVE.Right?thinker

Lightenup said:Quote The Father gave life to the Son, the Son did not always have immortal life if He was given it. Kathi,The Father could not “give” self existence. Come on! It means that the Father ascribed self-existence to the Son. It means that the Father confesses that the Son is self-existent. In the Psalms men are commanded to give power…[Read more]

gollumandi posted:Quote The Bible identifies Jehovah as the “Sovereign Lord.” (Genesis 15:2, 8; Acts 4:24; Revelation 6:10) He is also called “the true Lord” and “the Lord of the whole earth.” (Exodus 23:17; Joshua 3:13; Revelation 11:4) Who, then, is the other “Lord” of Psalm 110:1, and how did he come to be recognized as “Lord” by Jehovah?Quote Hi brother,So what?Do you mean “Lord” means God in that case?If so you make two Gods in your Bible; One Father and other Jesus.Greetings g,Is Jesus YOUR “Lord”? Do you bow YOUR knee to Him? If you say “Yes” then you believe that Jesus is “Lord” in the higher case and you have two “Lords.” Why is having two Lords better then…[Read more]

Quote (david @ April 20 2009,10:01)Quote David,It should be noted that John 1:1 literally reads “And God was the Word.” The Greek “logos” is the predicate. Hi Thinker.   It should also be noted that the literal reading of hundreds of other verses read without the definite article, “the.”  So we can throw what you just said out, as meaningless, o…[Read more]

I still think that complaints of all kinds should be given to the moderator in a private message. We have unwittingly given the porn perpetrator the attention he sought and have helped him advertise it.thinker