Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 22 2009,10:27)Hi Is 1.18, Exactly. Just as he taught Thomas in Jn 14 when anyone saw the Son they saw God IN HIM.2cor5 19To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.Nick,They saw God “in Him” because He…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ April 22 2009,10:17)That's right Thinker, and when transliterated from the Greek it's even clearer:-ho kurios mou, kai ho theos mou = “the Lord of me, and the God of me”Yes indeed!thinker

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 22 2009,22:33)Hi TT, So how does the bringing of everything into existence show that the Son did not have a beginning?Nick,Your question is unintelligible because it is a contradiction within itself. You should have asked, “How does the bringing of all other things into existence show that the Son did not have a…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 22 2009,14:24)Hi TT,Your argument is with God and one of His most quoted psalms, ps2.God begat a Son.God is not make in the image of fleshly men.Nick,According to Hebrews God “begat ” Jesus AFTER He purged our sins and sat dwon at God's  right hand,Quote Who being the brughtness of His glory and the express image of His…[Read more]

Quote (Cindy @ April 22 2009,16:45)Quote (thethinker @ April 22 2009,05:31)Lightenup said:Quote I believe in a literal Son of God and you don't.  When I started seeing a literal Son of God who existed from before creation, I started to understand the message of the New Testament.  It changed my life 16 years ago.To All,Though I have a great love f…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 22 2009,14:41)Thinker Do you mind showing me where I am incorrect?  Do you think that the Greek word for “was” in John 1:1 is not a verb, third person, singular, imperfect, active and indicative?Quote The parsing of verbs by Kathi has gotten pathetic. John's prologue is so simple to understand,BTW, I think you are not…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ April 22 2009,14:30)Hi Thinker,This may seem like a worthless semantic argument on the surface of it but it's actually quite important. If i'm right the case for Yeshua eternality is closed, because the text is, in the clearest possible way, affirming that the Word (who was God) always was.Is 1:18,There is a better way to go. The…[Read more]

Is.1:18 asked Lightenup:Quote (Is 1:18 @ April 22 2009,13:22)Was A T Roberson, the world's foremost Kione Greek grammarian (and practically all the others), wrong then? I think you've misunderstoood the material in Studylight.Lightenup replied:Quote There is definetly a difference between A T Roberson and what studylight.org is saying.  Have you…[Read more]

942767 said:Quote  God knew that a precise moment in time that he would conceive a Son and send him into the world to be the saviour of mankind.Marty,God did not “conceive” a son. Women conceive, men “beget” and God does neither (literally speaking).thinker

Lightenup said:Quote Is, The explanation from Studylight.org includes all forms of “eimi” which means to be.  To be is an infinitive verb which is written in the forms: is, am, are, was, were, be, being, been.I am not making this up either.  I even got this info from a trinitarian site.Kathi,Your point being….thinker

Quote (Lightenup @ April 22 2009,12:33)Quote (thethinker @ April 21 2009,18:16)Lightenup said:Quote Thinker and Keith,The context already has established that the “Word” was there.  The things that came into being are the other things that came into being through the one who was the “Word.”Kathi,It doesn't say “other” things. You're putting words…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ April 21 2009,02:56)To All………..Actually Jesus' real name in English is Joshua, and in Hebrew pronounced Yahshua . Guest was right. IMOpeace and love to you all……………………………….geneGene,Why does it matter? He died for you and that makes Him the real “Jesus.”You guys are a trip.thinker

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 22 2009,10:15)Hi TT, Why should he? He is the Lord and God was in him.Luke 20:13″The owner of the vineyard said, 'What shall I do? I will send my beloved son; perhaps they will respect him.'Nick,You are an incipient trinitarian. Why fight it?thinker

942767 said:Quote I never said that he was created.Boom! So you agree with me that He was NOT created. thinker

Lightenup said:Quote Hi Thinker,This passage says that the Son lives because of the Father:John 6:53-58Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in yourselves.  54 “He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last…[Read more]

Stu said:Quote This thread is far less of a nonsense than most threads on Heavennet!Then why are you here?thinker

Kerwin wrote:Quote All God's servant's,including the angels, bear God's name so you might want to consider interpreting that passage from Hebrews a bit differently.  Name being authority and Jesus having more authority than the angels.Kerwin,You have rendered Paul's words meaningless,Quote At the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE should bowSince all God's…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ April 19 2009,20:36)thinker……….It says when he brings his son (again) into the world, that hasn't happened yet. Jesus will have the seven horns and the seven eyes which are the seven spirits of God on Him when he comes again into the world. He will operate with the full capacity of GOD the FATHER at that time, until the…[Read more]

942767 wrote:Quote Hi LU:He is the “firstborn of God” of all creation, but the scriptures tell us when he was born of God.Marty,The expression “all creation” is the Greek pasa ktisis and always refers to mankind. Jesus said to go into all the world and preach the gospel to “all creation” (pasa ktisis). The gospel is preached to men.  Therefore,…[Read more]

Is. 1:18 wrote:Quote That God may be all in all – That God may be supreme; that the Divinity, the Godhead, may rule; and that it may be seen that he is the Sovereign over all the universe. By the word “God” ( ̔ ̀ ho Theos ), Whitby and Hammond, I think correctly, understand the Godhead, the Divine Nature, the Divinity, consisting of the three…[Read more]