Quote (kerwin @ April 25 2009,06:14)The Thinker wrote:Quote I have noticed how brothers Nick, Kerwin and gollumandi have ignored Hebrews 1:1-5 which says that Jesus INHERITED the name “begotten” or “firstborn.” I reluctantly include brother Gene too for I love him more than all others.You are mistaken I addressed Hebrews here and here to Nick…[Read more]

Lightenup said:Quote Isaac was chosen as the firstborn….Kathi,Yes indeed! Isaac was CHOSEN as the firstborn. The word “chosen” is the key. But  Isaac was NOT the firstborn literally. Though Isaac had always had been the firstborn in the counsel of God it was needed in human history that God come to Abraham and declare it. Ishmael remained the…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ April 25 2009,04:45)thinker………..Inherit, means you did not have it (before), or why would have to inherited it.  It says Jesus inherited a name better (Name) , so the question has to be is (WHEN) he inherited it why brother ,not if he did. Why does scripture say we are Heirs and Joint Heirs (With) Christ Brother?  These are a…[Read more]

Lightenup said:Quote Thinker and all,I believe that the Son of God is the only begotten Son of God in the fullest way-He actually was born from GOD and the very first to receive life out of all that has received life of any kind natural or eternal.  Every thing else came into being through Him that has been made IN heaven an ON earth.My Dear…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 24 2009,07:10)Hi TT, He did ask to return to that glory but was given greater glory.Now seated with the Father God.  God does not become less than God. God sent His son.God became a servant. Is this so hard to comprehend? Maybe modern culture prevents some from comprehending.thinker

To All,I have noticed how brothers Nick, Kerwin and gollumandi have ignored Hebrews 1:1-5 which says that Jesus INHERITED the name “begotten” or “firstborn.” I reluctantly include brother Gene too for I love him more than all others.Isaac INHERITED the name “only begotten Son.” It had nothing at all to do with His beginning. It was God's sovereign…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ April 24 2009,14:42)WJ……….is right it means Uniquely born.  As Issac was also uniquely born. Jesus was a uniquely born man. IMOpeace and love……………………….geneGene,I don't think WJ meant to say that monogenes meant uniquely born. The Son always was. The name “only begotten” was a name He inherited. Jesus…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ April 23 2009,09:00)Quote (thethinker @ April 22 2009,14:08)942767 said:Quote  God knew that a precise moment in time that he would conceive a Son and send him into the world to be the saviour of mankind.Marty,God did not “conceive” a son. Women conceive, men “beget” and God does neither (literally speaking).thinkerHi…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 24 2009,07:02)Hi TT, So now monogenes means FIRSTBORN SON?Nick,Just read Hebrews 1. It says that Christ inherited the name “begotten Son” and then He is called “firstborn.” thinker

Lightenup said:Quote I do not know where you got the idea that I am a Jehovah Witness or go to a JW church.  I have never been inside one.  I attend a large Baptist church of which Kay Arthur and Dr. Spiros Zodhiates are members.  Kay Arthur is regularly on television and traveling around the world with Precepts Ministry and unfortunately Sp…[Read more]

Lightenup said:Quote GOD (the Father) is LIGHTGod (the Son) is the Light from LIGHTKathi,It is ironic that you should say this because the Trinitarian Christmas hymn O Come all ye Faithful says the exact same thing,God of God, Light of light,Lo, He abhors not the virgin's womb.Very God begotten not createdO Come let us adore HimTrinitarians…[Read more]

Lightenup said:Quote Thinker,All things are possible with GOD except He cannot lie.  There is no such teaching in the entire Bible that says Jesus's “sonship” is just a title.  There is no such teaching in the entire Bible that says GOD cannot reproduce.  If you disagree, what is your proof?Hi Kathi,The Bible says that the expression “son” in re…[Read more]

Lightenup said:Quote I agree that all things IN heaven and ON earth were made through the Son of God and that none of those things came into being apart from the Son of God.  That is where I stand on the matter….The Son of God and the Heavenly Father are already present in the context and so were obviously there before all things were made IN…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 24 2009,01:22)Quote (thethinker @ April 23 2009,09:18)Quote (Not3in1 @ April 23 2009,17:26)Excellent debate, ladies and gentlemen!It was a pleasure to follow.Mandy,What do you mean that it “was” a pleasure to follow? Do you mean that it “was” according to LU or according to Is.1:18? Sorry, I couldn't resist.  …[Read more]

Lightenup said:Quote Is,I don't agree that the term “was” is ever used in a continual sense like normal imperfect tense words because of what studylight said.  I would like to study their source but they do not state one as far as I can see.Never-the-less, if it can be used in a continuous sense, the term “continuous sense” does not mean an…[Read more]

Quote (Not3in1 @ April 23 2009,17:26)Excellent debate, ladies and gentlemen!It was a pleasure to follow.Mandy,What do you mean that it “was” a pleasure to follow? Do you mean that it “was” according to LU or according to Is.1:18? Sorry, I couldn't resist.   thinker

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 23 2009,17:46)Hi TT, Jesus behaved exactly as the Father would have. He was guided and empowered every step of the way.But now that He has returned to the glorious condition He had before He took flesh He is NOT empowered and guided. It was in the weakness of His flesh that He was empowered and guided. He no longer…[Read more]

Nick said:Quote Jesus revealed every aspect of the nature of His God who dwelled within him.Nick,Exactly! I have said nothing to the contrary.thinker

Quote (SEEKING @ April 23 2009,05:05)Quote (thethinker @ April 22 2009,08:33)Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 22 2009,10:27)Hi Is 1.18, Exactly. Just as he taught Thomas in Jn 14 when anyone saw the Son they saw God IN HIM.2cor5 19To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath…[Read more]

Lightenup said:Quote I accept your apology, thank you. Regarding the discussion of the word “was” there are more than myself discussing it and I am discussing it because the trinitarians place a lot of theology on this one word in John 1:1 and I think that it is a shaky foundation.  You do not want to build on a shaky foundation do you?Regarding…[Read more]