Quote (Gene @ May 01 2009,03:55)Irene……Sister, you and others have (yet) to show me, any reason for GOd to Kill a son reberth Him and Kill Him again. As would to have had to happen if preexistence is true, whay perpose ould thar Show us, If GOd took a perfect Person and introduced Him into the world and He walked perfectly, would that show you…[Read more]

Quote (SEEKING @ May 01 2009,02:45)Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 29 2009,19:23)Hi S, Why should we prefer the intellectual insights of men when God said at the Jordan  THIS IS MY SON?Is that the only time God delared that? Or to you propose to bind us to your limited intellect? We should not prefer your intellect over scripture!LOL!   “Limited i…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ May 01 2009,02:59)Thinker……….You are so right, on what you posted brother, now if you would only continue and believe Jesus never preexisted before his berth other then in the plan of GOD, brother you would be totally on brother. IMOpeace and love to you and yours………………………………geneGene,I believe that the et…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 30 2009,14:23)Hi S, Why should we prefer the intellectual insights of men when God said at the Jordan  THIS IS MY SON?Nick,Is the author to the Hebrews just giving us his “intellectual insights” Nick? Hebrews says that Christ was begotten AFTER he purged our sins. In John 12 he rode into Jerusalem as the King of Israel.…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 30 2009,09:30)Hi all,Nothing had come into being until AFTER day 1 except the Light, the heavens and the earth were not completed before day one and hence did not fully come into being.  On day one, Light was brought forth.  After light was brought forth is when the earth got its name and heaven got its name.  Neither ha…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 30 2009,09:42)Thinker,You have not convinced me…sorry!  Good anger management though LUKathi,I'm not trying to convince you. All those who post here have their minds made up. We all do this just to argue. It is those who watch on the side lines that really get the benefit.thinker

Nick said:Quote Hi TT,No man can make anyone his father.Sons come from fathers and the moment God shared His Spirit with Jesus at the Jordan and they became one, Jesus was declared by God to be His son.We should rather believe God.Nick,I asked you to tell me when “TODAY” occurred. Quote “TODAY I have become your father (NIV)When God said to Jesus…[Read more]

Quote (Cindy @ April 30 2009,06:21)Let me give my two cents here. I agree with you thinker that Jesus preexisted before the world was. However I do not agree that He existed from all eternity. John 1:1 tells us that He was the word,but in Rev. 3:14 that He was the firstborn of all creation. And by the power of the Father He created all. Also in…[Read more]

Gene said:Quote I agree Jesus was begotten on the day GOD said He was, but Why then do you believe He preexisted as a GOD before this event then Brother? Brother Gene,I am glad that you see that Jesus was begotten as God's Son on the day God said he was. Jesus was begotten on the day of his exaltation. This proves that he pre-existed  before he…[Read more]

Lightenup said;Quote You say that we sharply disagree on the word “firstborn” and what that means in Colossians.  Am I saying that correctly?You also say that “creature” means “mankind.”Here is the Strong's definition:NT:2937 kti/si$ktisis (ktis'-is); from NT:2936; original formation (properly, the act; by implication, the thing, literally or…[Read more]

Lightenup said said:Quote Thinker,You say that the Son earned the title “only begotten” after He died.I say that the Son was the only begotten in two different senses…the first and only life by reproduction not creation (with an independant will) apart from the Father which the Father used to create all things IN heaven and ON earth and who was…[Read more]

Lightenup said:Quote Being the firstborn of all creation AND ALSO firstborn from the dead infers being begotten twice, once to original life, the other to life from death.  So just because it says He was “begotten” after He died doesn't mean that He wasn't begotten beforehand.  I believe He WAS begotten beforehand. Jesus says He was. Read t…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 29 2009,19:15)Hi TT, I prefer the statements of God. Your theories do not hold water.Nick,You can't answer the statements of God I have given. You won't let go of your long held beliefs. Christ was begotten at a point in time called “TODAY.” When When did “TODAY” occur? Please answer Nick. And when was the last time you…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 29 2009,11:22)Hi TT, Remember God announced that Jesus was His son way back at the Jordan before he had done any works of power.  You assume the name of SON is the one referred to in Phil2? Is presumption of faith?Nick,I did not assume the name Son in Hebrews one. It CLEARLY says in that text that Jesus was “begotten” AFT…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 29 2009,09:28)Hi TT,Becoming a son was not a prize for any of his behaviours.He was reborn from above of God's Spirit just as we must be.What! Quote AFTER making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, having become so much better than the angels as the name he inherited is so much…[Read more]

Nick said:Quote Hi TT,Yes God has a son.Did you not exist before your son was born?Nick,Jesus was the Son of God by decree (Ps. 2:7; Rom. 1:1-3). He was NOT born the Son of God. He became obedient til death and EARNED the title. Jesus was the son of God by title.Your father did not become a father to you by your own acts. But God became a Father…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ April 22 2009,18:09)Quote (charity @ April 21 2009,22:18)Lord how come I should pray that you lead me not into temptation, I can find it myself without THY GUIDANCE?CharityWithout fire, there's no smoke.StuartCharity,Jesus did not advise YOU to pray this. He was advising His disciples. The new covenant had not been insituted when…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 28 2009,13:56)Hi TT, Fantasy rules OK?When is the movie coming out?Hey Nick,I have to give you credit this time for making me laugh. “When is the movie coming out” is quite funny. Thanks bro.Please give us YOUR explanation. For the Scriptures say that God became “father” at the moment Jesus became “son.” This must…[Read more]

theodorej said:Quote Greetings thinker……Esau can not alter the fact that he was the firstborn,however,he did give up the right and privledge that comes with it to Jacob….tj,This is what I have been trying to tell Kathi. God chose Jacob to be the “firstborn.” Jacob knew this. He knew also that the right of the firstborn would have to be…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ April 27 2009,07:32)Thinker……….If you would expand the TRINITY to include all things You might be more right Brother. That (ONE GOD) in ALL and through ALL> IMOPeace and love to you and yours…………………geneBrother Gene,Before I answer your question I want to publically declare that I love you more than anyone else on…[Read more]