Lightenup said:Quote Thinker,Yes, He gets the fullness of His authority after His resurrection.  He does have some authority beforehand though.Hi Kathi,So the angels as well as men knew “assuredly” as the result of His assuming FULL authority.thinker

Lightenup said:Quote We left that church to go to one that was more into the exegesis of scripture and we still are there.  I hadn't developed a relationship with the pastor there and he left.  Now we have had no senior pastor for almost three years.  I suppose they are having trouble finding a pastor that is a loving and kind shepherd as well as…[Read more]

WorshipingJesus said to bodhitarta:Quote Circular, Fathers don’t create sons, they take part in reproduction. Sons can be natural sons, or adopted sons, or declared sons.Exactly WJ! Jesus is God's DECLARED Son upon His resurrection and exaltation.Quote Declared (or decreed) to be the Son of God with power through the resurrection of the dead (…[Read more]

Seeking said:Quote For those of us who do not endorse your several God's concept (trinity) “God” must refer to the father because He is the ONLY God.Brother Seeking,I would like to submit for your consideration the following Greek grammar:Special use of the Greek article:1. With the conjunction kaiWhen two nouns are joined by the conjunction kai:a.…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ May 04 2009,10:49)Quote (thethinker @ May 04 2009,05:46)Quote (chosenone @ May 03 2009,17:52)NH.   You keep calling for one to repent, yet you don't seem to know what we are to repent of.  May I ask what you 'repented' of?CO,Gentiles were never commanded to repent. Repentance was the apostolic message to the Jew. Repentance for t…[Read more]

Quote (chosenone @ May 03 2009,17:52)NH.   You keep calling for one to repent, yet you don't seem to know what we are to repent of.  May I ask what you 'repented' of?CO,Gentiles were never commanded to repent. Repentance was the apostolic message to the Jew. Repentance for them meant that they were to denounce the works of the law and embrace J…[Read more]

Lightenup siad:Quote The angels knew assuredly that He was the savior, Christ the Lord when He was born and it was after His resurrection that mankind knew assuredly.  Knowing and knowing assuredly were two different senses of knowing.  He did not become Christ the Lord, He was Christ the Lord the day He was born.  Present tense, future te…[Read more]

thethinker asked Nick:Quote Do you mean to include Jesus when you say “we are all as an unclean thing”?Nick replied:Quote Was he a man?Was he born of woman?Jb254How then can man be justified with God? or how can he be clean that is born of a woman? 5Behold even to the moon, and it shineth not; yea, the stars are not pure in his sight. 6How much…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 02 2009,08:27)Hi TT,Isaiah 64:6But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.No man can produce good without the empowering of God.Do you mean to include Jesus when you say “we are all as an unclean…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ May 02 2009,03:53)Hello all,Here in Luke we have an announcement made from heaven that came way before the resurrection.  This announcement was made the day the baby Jesus was born to Mary.  On that day he was declared to be a savior, Christ the Lord.  He did not do one fleshly work to receive that.  It was not because He was…[Read more]

Quote His own acts of righteousness?Filthy rags?What's this “filthy rags” thing? You're not saying that Jesus' works of righteousness were filthy rags are you?thinker

Nick said:Quote His own acts of righteousness?Filthy rags?God announced that Jesus was His son before he did anything in his given divine powers.God said that Jesus was His Son “in whom I am well pleased.” If God was not “well pleased” with Jesus would he have called him His Son?thinker

Kerwin said:Quote I got the idea because the Spirit is also called the Spirit of Sonship.Where does the Bible say that the Spirit is called the Spirit od Sonship especially in reference to Jesus?thinker

Quote (SEEKING @ May 02 2009,02:50)Quote (thethinker @ May 01 2009,07:36)gollumandi said:Quote Though it not clear in case of Jesus but some scholars believe that Jesus became son of God at Jordan by the same adoption through the spirit of God.Brother gollumandi,Jesus was not an adopted son. He was God's only begotten.thinkerAmen Thinker. WE are…[Read more]

Lightenup's source said:Quote The curse, as recorded in Jeremiah 22:30, causes a problem, though. Just five verses later, Jeremiah writes of the Messiah,”Behold the days are coming,” declares the LORD, “When I shall raise up for David a Righteous Branch; and He will reign as king and act wisely and do justice and righteousness in the land. In His…[Read more]

gollumandi said:Quote Though it not clear in case of Jesus but some scholars believe that Jesus became son of God at Jordan by the same adoption through the spirit of God.Brother gollumandi,Jesus was not an adopted son. He was God's only begotten.thinker

Kerwin said:Quote That Spirit is called both the Spirit of Sonship and the Spirit of Christ.  Since it makes us sons then how much more does it make Jesus The Son since it is through him that those that believe are made sons.Kerwin,Jesus was made the Son of God by His own acts of righteousness. Where do you get the idea that the Spirit made Jesus…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 01 2009,21:39)Hi TT, Earning a name?Being a son is not a name but a fact.Yes Nick. “Son” is a name. Jesus told the Jews that doing the will of the Father is what makes one a son of God (John 8). Jesus did the will of the Father perfectly. Therefore, God exalted him and received him as His only begotten. This is why…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 01 2009,11:53)Hi TT, Hebrews 1 is proving the prophecy by quoting Ps2 and not dictating the timing of the begattal.Nick,Hebrews 1 is indicating the FULFILLMENT of the prophecy. Your incessant appeal to the declaration at Jordan amounts to the denial that Jesus was required to EARN His name.God indeed called Jesus His Son…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 01 2009,11:45)Hi TT, You say”Hebrews says that Christ was begotten AFTER he purged our sins.” Does it? Or are you claiming the order of the words being written must dictate the timing?Huh?   thinker