Lightenup said:Quote The heavens and the earth referred to in Gen 1:1 were not yet established until day three, the heavens weren't separated till day two, the earth was not formed till day three also the foundation was still in process during day three.  On day two is when God called the realm which He just seperated from the earth “heaven” so…[Read more]

Lightenup said:Quote The resurrection is what let man know that He was the savior, Christ the Lord.  Not all men know this because darkness still reigns in their hearts.Kathi,The resurrection is also when He actually acquired full authority. You seemed to concede this earlier. You said,Quote Yes, He gets the fullness of His authority after His…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ May 05 2009,08:04)Thinker………I believe it was the FATHER in Jesus doing the Works brother, we will have to agree to disagree on this one brother. Remember Jesus said He could do (NOTHING) of HIMSELF> peace and love to you and yours……………………..geneGene,First, the fact that Jesus could do nothing of himself was…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ May 05 2009,08:16)thinker…….if Jesus (Became a High Priest) was He a GOD before then, if He was He lowered His standard then . He is now less then he was before . Brother fact is Jesus was an ordinary man exactly like you and me who (GOD) perfected and made Him Perfect and raised Him up from the dead and gave Him eternal life…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ May 04 2009,22:29)Phew, thanks.  I was thinking the world had gone topsy-turvy for a minute there.Quote However, many a good discovery started as a hunch, so I remain open minded to any number of possibilities and I like to listen to what people think. That is how we learn after all. But being closed minded makes us arrogant and…[Read more]

Kejonn said to t8:Quote And what is the root cause? The fall of man? Whenever someone asks “why” Christians typically answer with “God made perfection, humans ruined it”. That is why I said your response was full of tired worn-out dogma.kj,I personally go against the grain. I reject the idea that God created everything “perfect.” Paul said that…[Read more]

bodhitarta said:Quote Also if the Word “is” God then God “is” the word, it doesn't say that the word is what God is but that the word is God or what God was but was God. There is no sonship here at all.Bodhitarta,You said that if the Word is God then God is the Word. You're right and that is how it is written in the GreekQuote In the beginning was…[Read more]

Gene wrote:Quote GOD reckons us righteous by our Faith in HIM, as he did Abraham, not that We or Abraham (ARE) righteous but it is (RECKONED TO US> That is why it says the righteous live by FAITH.Gene,Amen again bro! This is one of the few things on which you and I agree and it is the HEART of the gospel.thinker

Quote (Gene @ May 05 2009,04:40)Thinker ………the name Ezekiel as i recall means He is GOD, do we believe Ezekiel (is) GOD, thinker i am not sure if it was Ezekiel, or Elijah or Elisha. Can't remember right now but i think it was one of them, and if you are going to apply that name to Jesus then you must also apply it to Joshua, because Joshua…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ May 05 2009,04:20)Thinker ………brother Jesus (Became) a high priest, not that he was before his resurrection. He (Became that brother). Now a Hight priest is a mediator (between) GOD and A man, and this is the (MAN) Jesus the anointed of GOD the FATHER. IMOpeace and love to you and…[Read more]

Gene said:Quote Thinker……..This is where i really disagree with Trinitarians because the Believe Jesus preesisted as a GOD, while I believe GOD indwelt the (MAN) Jesus. big difference GOD (ONE GOD) the WORD came and INDWELT JESUS, and this ONE GOD Can also Just as equally in DWELL YOU and ME and ALL. but you see brother its still Just (ONE…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ May 05 2009,04:06)Thinker……..True but many don't know the difference brother. IMOpeace and love to you and yours………………….geneGene,This is because they prefer Moses over Jesus.thinker

Quote (chosenone @ May 04 2009,17:27)lineon.     Those who are chosen in the 'church', the “Body of Christ”, will not be judged.  They will be 'snatched away' …”For this we are saying to you by the word of the Lord, that we, the living, who are surviving to the presence of the Lord, should by no means outstrip those who are put to repose,16 fo…[Read more]

WorshipingJesus said:Quote The day of the Lord is the second coming when the Lord sets up his Kingdom in the earth.The secret rapture is false. IMOWJ,I am in agreement with you that there is no “secret” rapture. But I disagree on the Lord's coming to set up a kingdom on earth. First, Paul said that when Christ comes he yields the kingdom to the…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ May 05 2009,02:56)Nick………The point is you tell people to repent but you never say How they repent , is it by their (OWN) power as in the baptism of John or is it by the Baptism of Spirit and FIRE given by Jesus. John's baptism was a self repentances expressed by water washing, Jesus' baptism was of the Spirit and Fire…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ May 05 2009,01:35)thinker, brother that in no way proves Jesus' preexistences or that he used to be a GOD brother. Jesus became a High Priest , He was not before his resurrection. IMOlove and peace to you and yours…………….geneGene,God our Counselor said that we need a high priest that is separate from us and not weak like us.…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ May 05 2009,01:47)thinker……..I don't deny the preexistence of the (word) it did preexist because it was GOD Himself but not Jesus as Trinitarians and preexistences think. In the (beginning was the Word). I just don't change its meaning to mean Jesus, but it is the FATHER'S WORD that is being spoken of there, not Jesus at all.…[Read more]

Lightenup wrote:Quote Thinker,The word is not eternal. I have shown that in another thread. I believe that the word in the beginning was “let there be light” which came at a specific time before day one was declared as day one.  That was the Light from LIGHT.  That light became flesh and came into our world to live among us.  That light that be…[Read more]

Quote (gollamudi @ April 29 2009,20:07)Amen to that post brother Gene,You said it right. Jesus had to be like us in all respects to be an example to us. If he is from different stock and origin it makes him a different being and he can not be our model. Trinity and preexistence make Jesus somebody who is different from our nature and only…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ May 04 2009,03:31)Nick…….Again if you understood what Spirit was you could easily understand what i am saying, but it is evident that You do not understand. You are thinking i am saying the spirit in man is the same as the HOLY SPIRIT.  If you could understand SPIRIT is (INTELLECT) this would all make sense to you. IMOpeace and…[Read more]