Stu said:Quote Well it is a good point you raise, because no christian has ever actually said what would be true if there was no god, and there would be no agreement amongst god-believers about that anyway so we would not necessarily know what positive evidence would look like, but I mean there is no observable fact or sequence of facts that…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ May 18 2009,19:17)Quote (t8 @ May 18 2009,17:22)That is right WJ. To say that you can know for sure that God doesn't exist, you must be all knowing.So at the end of the day, all he has is a belief and no proof, not even experiential evidence. But that doesn't stop him from defending his religion.Agree on all but two points.  My…[Read more]

942767 said:Quote Jesus earthly ministry was principally, but not exclusively, to the nation of Israel.Marty,You're not correct. Jesus' ministry was exclusive to the house of Israel. After His resurrection he commanded the disciples to preach to all the nations . This is substantiated by the fact that the apostles never preached to Gentiles in the…[Read more]

Irene said:Quote thinker   One thing sticks out which t8 did not address. You say:”    He created the serpent to be a crafty and deceitful creature.”That is not so, He created Lucifer a very beautiful Angel, and put Him in charge of this earth. He became Satan by is own vanity.Irene,The name “lucifer” was applied to the king of babylon and not to…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ May 07 2009,20:25)Quote (thethinker @ May 07 2009,02:30)Quote (Stu @ May 06 2009,22:26)Quote (thethinker @ May 06 2009,03:46)Stu wrote:Quote Indeed, as you describe, creationists are close-minded.  And usually they persist with lies when they are shown that their falsifiable claims are false.Stu,How is my view that the original…[Read more]

942767 said:Quote God did not create man mortal.  The cause of death was sin.  God created man with a “free will” and gave told them of the consequence for disobedience.  They chose to disobey.  That God has forseen all of this that is true.Death does not mean condemnation.  It means spiritual separation from God.  The body will decay becau…[Read more]

Lightenup said:Quote You must equally honor all “whispers”…bologne!  You must equally test it according to the scriptures, that is what you must do.I agree Kathi and that's what I was trying to say. You appeared to be likening your “whisper” to something subjective.Lightenup said:Quote The formed earth and the completed heavens did not come…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ May 07 2009,03:11)Thinker………When we are born of the (fullness) of the Spirit we also will be without sin. It's crucial we see Jesus as one of US brother and that what ever He and by what ever means He achieved it we can, and with GOD help (WILL) also. This is the hope we have ” until we come to the (FULL) measure of Christ”.…[Read more]

bodhitartha said:Quote Nicetry, but Jesus is inheriting the throne of David and guess who is giving it to him?Bodhitartha,Your “truth” is selective and one sided brother. I have a small business and I employ two people. I give them a paycheck. Am I giving them something they did not EARN?God gave Jesus ONLY that which he EARNED. Is this fact too…[Read more]

Gene said:Quote thinker……… So did the lambs of ancient Israel they bore the sins of the people in their own body also, but the one who offered them was the responsible party right, GOD assumnes all responsibility for the sins of the whole world and offered His sacrifice, His Son Jesus Christ as the lamb of GOD.Gene my man!You're right bro!…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ May 06 2009,21:26)Quote (Gene @ May 06 2009,00:11)Thinker ………scripture Say's He was like us in every way, Yet without sin, He was one of Us brother and if GOD the Father was not with him, he would have faired no better the us. IMOpeace and love to you and yours…………………………..geneGood point!Kerwin,Did you note…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ May 06 2009,05:11)Thinker ………scripture Say's He was like us in every way, Yet without sin, He was one of Us brother and if GOD the Father was not with him, he would have faired no better the us. IMOpeace and love to you and yours…………………………..geneGene,Note that you said “Yet without sin.” Thank you. This is…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ May 06 2009,22:26)Quote (thethinker @ May 06 2009,03:46)Stu wrote:Quote Indeed, as you describe, creationists are close-minded.  And usually they persist with lies when they are shown that their falsifiable claims are false.Stu,How is my view that the original creation was not perfect but corruptible inconsistent with any observable…[Read more]

Lightenup said:Quote I don't know how creation went specifically in detail.  I heard a whisper in my ear like you did and it changed my life and understanding of who Jesus is.  That whisper tied “firstborn of all creation” with “let there be light.”  The heavens and the earth were not yet completed till after day one and that is clear to me…[Read more]

bodhitarta wrote:Quote Jesus didn't say that The Father and I are the only true God or Me, The Father and The Holy Spirit are the only true God. Our Lord Jesus was clear and without mystery, he says plainly that The Father is The Only True God and True Worshippers worship the Father as The Only True God and they worship him in spirit and…[Read more]

Gene said:Quote Thinker….would like to commit on something , WE must remember Jesus was (GOD) sacrifice the HE gave for our sins, Jesus gave himself to GOD the FATHER and GOD the FATHER offered HIM up to sacrifice. He was the lamb of GOD , He was not the lamb of Jesus.Acts 20:28….> Take heed therefore unto yourselves and to all the flock, over…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ May 06 2009,04:53)Thinker…………what i meant was He was (EXACTLY) one of US in every way. And what is held out to us is the exact same thing He has, we are called Heirs and (JOINT) heirs of Christ , we are called a royal Priesthood, and Heirs of (ALL) things. Brother we must see Jesus as one of US in every way , a Human being…[Read more]

Someone said:Quote True worshipers worship the Father.The rest is madnessThen the angels are “mad” because they worship the Son. And God also is “mad” because He commands angels to worship the Son,Quote Again, when He brings the firstborn into the world, He says:“Let all the angels of God worship Him” (Heb. 1:6)The explanation that Gene and…[Read more]

Stu wrote:Quote Indeed, as you describe, creationists are close-minded.  And usually they persist with lies when they are shown that their falsifiable claims are false.Stu,How is my view that the original creation was not perfect but corruptible inconsistent with any observable facts?thinker

Quote (t8 @ May 05 2009,16:54)I am trying to figure out which ape avatar looks the most intelligent.I think it might be thethinker coz Stu's cranium looks the smallest and his mouth is also the biggest in proportion to the back of the skull.Stu's ape avatar also has the smallest ears. Ergo….thinker