Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 17 2010,06:22)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 16 2010,10:35)TO ALL:Mike and Kathi have been shoving the church fathers down our throats a lot lately. I am convinced that they do this because they lack solid scriptural support for their beliefs. So they must show that they have company in their beliefs. But Mike and Kathi…[Read more]

Quote (martian @ Aug. 17 2010,04:49)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 17 2010,02:35)TO ALL:Mike and Kathi have been shoving the church fathers down our throats a lot lately. I am convinced that they do this because they lack solid scriptural support for their beliefs. So they must show that they have company in their beliefs. But Mike and Kathi often…[Read more]

Gene said:Quote Absolutely a true Post brother , Jesus it says (SHALL) future tense be a SON to GOD , not that he already was, right on brother, and He was to come into existence through the loins of Kind David, and God brought him forth from among his brethren just as Moses said He would, and He was born from the seed of the Women as God in…[Read more]

Davidbfun said:Quote Rev 3:14 “To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: The Amen, the faithful and true Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God, says this:Wrong! The Greek word “arche” means “ruler.” It means that Jesus is the RULER of creation. dbf:Quote God exists! Then Son…”son of God”.Wrong! The Word exists! Then as Son….”Son of…[Read more]

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 17 2010,00:31)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 16 2010,22:36)Quote (JustAskin @ Aug. 16 2010,10:45)Believe what you like, lu.Check you understanding of things.But think in the spiritual. Then you will see.What kind of remark is that JA?Kathi just quoted Col 1:16 for you, and instead of defending your “begotten is a title” and…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Aug. 10 2010,14:36)I think it matters Shimmer, because the first commandment matters.If the Trinity violates the first commandment, then it violates the most important of the 10.Then all of creation in Rev. 5 violated the fist commandment. And the twenty-four elders violated the first commandment when they fell down and worshiped Him…[Read more]

Mike said:Quote It would seem strange for God to say there were no other gods at all, and then mention many gods througout scripture.Poor Mike! He just don't get it! The scriptures are replete with statements inwhich God said that the gods exist in the people's own imaginations. In other words, their existence is not real but only in the minds of…[Read more]

TO ALL:There is not one major and long established translation of the scriptures that supports Mike's view that gods came into existence after YHWH. Mike is saying that Isaiah 43:10 says that other gods exist but that they will not “out live” YHWH. Not one major translation supports Mike's theory.NIV:Quote “You are my witnesses,” declares the…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 16 2010,14:19)Quote (shimmer @ Aug. 16 2010,10:11)KangarooJack, We all have day's like that, my problem is I'm on the other side of the world than most people, so I miss out on all the conversations and only catch up later, when everyones gone. I think Mike need's some time out.You know Shimmer, I've have given you the…[Read more]

Mike said:Quote That definitely does NOT say none will be begotten after God, just that there will be none that exist after Him, or none that will “outlive” Him.TO ALL:Just more of Mike's inconsistencies and contradictions. “Eyeneto” does not mean “to beget.” It means “to come into being.” God said that no god came into being before or after…[Read more]

TO ALL:It has been claimed by Mike and Kathi that just because many of the church fathers understood “wisdom” in Proverbs 8 to be Christ then it must necessarily so. I offer you the following for your consideration:Quote “The clear personification of these verses led most of the early Church Fathers to find here a prophecy of Christ. The Arain…[Read more]

TO ALL:It has been claimed by Mike and Kathi that just because many of the church fathers understood “wisdom” in Proverbs 8 to be Christ then it must necessarily so. I offer you the following for your consideration:Quote “The clear personification of these verses led most of the early Church Fathers to find here a prophecy of Christ. The Arain…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ Aug. 16 2010,10:01)Mike, I havent read everything here today, only briefly because I'm not supposed to be here, I'm supposed to be cleaning the house lol, but if you are getting confused, take some time out, refocus, calm your mind down, pray, I know what it's like.It does seem that Mike is losing it a little today. He sent me a…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ Aug. 16 2010,10:01)Mike, I havent read everything here today, only briefly because I'm not supposed to be here, I'm supposed to be cleaning the house lol, but if you are getting confused, take some time out, refocus, calm your mind down, pray, I know what it's like.It does seem that Mike is losing it a little today. He sent me a…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 16 2010,09:47)Roo,I have found a benefit to bringing the understanding of the early church disciples into a disagreement that we may have here.  If I say a verse means 'abc' and you say a verse means 'xyz' then looking at the understanding of the early church might bring some enlightenment.  It has nothing to do with a f…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 16 2010,09:47)Roo,I have found a benefit to bringing the understanding of the early church disciples into a disagreement that we may have here.  If I say a verse means 'abc' and you say a verse means 'xyz' then looking at the understanding of the early church might bring some enlightenment.  It has nothing to do with a f…[Read more]

Mike said:Quote Not only does this show the dishonest way Jack works, but it shows that even in the face of the actual scriptural words that proved his statement wrong, he would still be willing to take “my” statement that “agreed” with him over scripture.Mike,First, you need to visit the “Reporting Posts” thread. Accusing one of dishonesty is not…[Read more]

Mike said:Quote Not only does this show the dishonest way Jack works, but it shows that even in the face of the actual scriptural words that proved his statement wrong, he would still be willing to take “my” statement that “agreed” with him over scripture.Mike,First, you need to visit the “Reporting Posts” thread. Accusing one of dishonesty is not…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 16 2010,06:19)Btw Roo,You didn't seem to respond to the fact the the early church “fathers” also think that Wisdom in Proverbs 8 refers to Jesus.Why are you always against the early church “fathers”?Why is it that I, while drawing my own conclusions from scripture, always later find out that it is the same conclusion the…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 16 2010,06:19)Btw Roo,You didn't seem to respond to the fact the the early church “fathers” also think that Wisdom in Proverbs 8 refers to Jesus.Why are you always against the early church “fathers”?Why is it that I, while drawing my own conclusions from scripture, always later find out that it is the same conclusion the…[Read more]