Paladin said:Quote Very Good WJ, you CAN read what John says. The question for you though, is can you read what I said? I did not say John's prologue did anything. I did not mention John's prologue. I referenced Paul's words from Col 1:25-27, and Paul DOES say the “logos of God” is “Christ in you, the hope of glory.” And I also said, THAT is the…[Read more]

Kerwin said:Quote How is the fact that Jesus did not sin and is a holy one of God have anything to do with our discussion about  your absurd claim that the evil desires that allow one to be tempted are sin.  You are lost and hopefully in time find your way back to what God actually states.Paul said that sin produces evil desires. Here it is a…[Read more]

Lightenup said to Keith:Quote Sorry, but the trinity does not reveal the Jesus that they preached.  The trinity definitely speaks about a different Jesus.  At least, you admit that the trinity came as a later supposed revelation.  Since it is a later “revelation” it was not one that the apostles knew or wrote about, therefore it was a different Je…[Read more]

Paladin said:Quote Thank you Gene, for that warm welcome. You are correct about the Xristos in us, because the priests, kings, and prophets of the Old Testament were designated with the same designations as was Jesus. They were “the anointed of God” just as Jesus is “The Christ of God.”King David spoke of King Saul to Abner, calling Saul “ton…[Read more]

Paladin said:Quote The man is not the man's deeds, nor is the man the name he is given. It is a name given to the man based on his deeds. It is a name recognized by all who hear it, as referencing one who is identified as a man who refused to build up his dead brother's house.The citation above establishes that the Word was a Person. Paladin in…[Read more]

Gene said:Quote Thinker…..This is not explaining it away brother, it is the simple truth.Gene,You are explaining it away. Jesus prayed and asked the Father to glorify Him with the glory He HAD with Him before the world began. You say that when we accept truth we become one with God. Then accept that Christ is pre-existent so you may become one…[Read more]

Kerwin said:Quote You are clearly forcing the evidence. Kerwin,Fact is you are manipulating some of the evidence and ignoring other evidence. I have invoked Hebrews 7 at least three times which says that Jesus was “SEPARATE” from sinners. You have yet to comment on it. You have also ignored that the angel told Mary that she would give birth to a…[Read more]

Kerwin said:Quote You are interpreting one scripture to contradict others.  You should look at Romans 7:5 which tells you what Paul was speaking of when he said sin as he is using sin in place of “flesh”.Kerwin,Your conclusion is unfounded. Paul said that when we were IN THE FLESH the sinful desires were aroused by the law. Paul did not use sin…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ May 27 2009,13:54)thinker……..Eph 4:13….> Till we all come in the unity of Faith, and of the Knowledge of the son of GOD, unto a (PERFECT) Man. unto the Measure of the STATURE of the FULLNESS of CHRIST. So we should just through this out of our bibles, right thinker?peace and love…………………….geneGene,Please note…[Read more]

Georg said:Quote thinkerLet me show you the scripture that prophesied when the Holy Spirit would be offered to all the world, gentiles, none Jews.Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ May 26 2009,20:27)thethinker Quote It is better to make no testable claims than to make claims that are not testable. If you make no testable claim then you have said something that no one can call you on if you are wrong.  Can you see why that means you have said nothing of any value?Quote Evolution is based in interpretation. It is…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ May 26 2009,07:47)Quote (thethinker @ May 26 2009,00:00)Stu said:Quote Yet you do not oppose this malevolent, arbitrary god that you worship.  Can you explain why?Stu,You wouldn't understand.thinkerIsn't that what alien abductees say?I am not thick, and yet you cannot explain it for my comprehension.  That is the kind of thing I w…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ May 27 2009,13:30)thinker…..Jesus preexistence was (ONLY) in the plan and will of GOD and nothing more, and when he came into existences he fulfill that Plan for Him which he had before the world began. Just that simple, we don't need another GOD or have to add anything to it, God took a pure HUMAN BEING (exactly like one of us)…[Read more]

Kewrin said:Quote I have no idea what you are speaking of.  Could you tell me where he teaches that so I can read it in context?Kerwin,I gave you the verse in my last post. It is Romans 7:8. Paul said that sin produces evil desire. Therefore, sin comes BEFORE the evil desire. So if Jesus had evil desires then He was not sinless.thinker

Quote (Gene @ May 27 2009,13:05)Thinker ………..You can not prove if that Glory was a preplaned Glory that GOD had Planned for Jesus or not.  Believe what Peter said about Jesus, I believe He woud have Known do YOU. He said Jesus was (FOREORDAINED) that means (Fore Planned) to recieve this Glory, but only recieved it after He was GLORIFIED…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ May 27 2009,13:39)Thinker……..Your logic is wrong brother. imopeace and love…………………….geneGene,Non-personal and non-person are the same. If my logic is wrong then explain the difference like I asked you.thinker

bodhitharta said:Quote The scripture says The Father gave Jesus life in himself. Tell me who attributed life in The Father?bd,The Scripture also says that men give power to God. Quote Give to the LORD glory and power (Ps. 96:7)Men give power to God.thinker

Georg said:Quote Not if you know what Jesus said in.Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:  Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 27 2009,03:25)Hi AllFor by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. 1 Cor 12:13The word gentile here is Hellēn which means…1) a Greek either by nationality, whether a native of the main land or of the…[Read more]

WorshippingJesus said:Quote Hi Thinker Brother if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ he is none of his.  Rom 8:9, 2 Cor 13:5Greetings WJ,Paul's statement in Romans 8:9 is a reference to Jewish Christians. In Romans 7:1 he said that he was speaking to them that “know the law”. So he was speaking to Jews. In chapter 8 He gives no indication…[Read more]