Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 09 2009,13:26)Hi TT, So when Jesus hands back to the Father the kingdom it will again be seen that God is the head of Christ. The vine serves the Gardener. There is no trinityAnd in the meantime you are to do what….? You erroneously think that you can avoid honoring Jesus just because He is supposedly less than the…[Read more]

Paladin said:Quote Even John the Baptist is called “it” as well as “he.” Mark 6:16 But when Herod heard thereof, he said, “IT” is John, whom I beheaded: HE is risen from the dead.You have no idea nor sense, common or otherwise, as to the truth about pronouns in scripture.Paladin,So was John a person or some impersonal messenger?   You've lost me.…[Read more]

Quote (Cindy @ June 09 2009,10:51)thinker  You making a great mistake by saying that Jesus is equal with the Father, if that is what you are saying. Yes He is King of Kings and Lord of Lord, and yes we will bow our knee to Him, cause that is what you do to a King, our King. That makes Him still not equal with the Father. All power was given to…[Read more]

Quote (Cindy @ June 06 2009,14:33)thinkerEze 36:17 Son of man, when the house of Israel dwelt in their own land, they defiled it by their own way and by their doings: their way was before me as the uncleanness of a removed woman.  Eze 36:18 Wherefore I poured my fury upon them for the blood that they had shed upon the land, and for their idols…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ June 09 2009,02:23)Tim Kraft……….Amen brother. peace and love to you and yours………………………………..geneGene,You “amen” TK so much you're starting to sound like a parrot.thinker

Quote (Tim Kraft @ June 09 2009,00:46)Nick: It is the finished work of the Christ, Jesus.He did it and gave it to us. It is for WHOSOEVER will believe. Re-thinking is the new-birth. Cleaning the mind out of all the old, religious ways of thinking and letting the word of God through Jesus in which is the cleansing do its work. The byproduct of…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 09 2009,09:09)HGi TT, So Jesus is not the God Who installed him as king is he?He is at the right hand of that great God. What of your trinity fables?Nick,You missed the point. Why am I not surprised? The Father is greater than all. He has installed Christ as King over us. The Father said, “Bow the knee to My King.”…[Read more]

Quote (Cindy @ June 07 2009,07:33)thinker  Ephesians 1:4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as we are called in one hope of your calling. verse 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism.verse 6 one God and Father of all, who is above all and in us all.You are just trying to ignore what these and the fact that Jesus Himself said that the Father is…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 06 2009,10:01)Hi TT, I agree with Paul.Jesus is the son of our God. But you make God less than God for a time if you hold to trinity folly.Paul said that Jesus existed in God's form and made Himself nothing becoming obedient unto death. Then God highly exalted Him. You have said that Jesus has a “functional” equality with…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 05 2009,20:48)Quote (thethinker @ June 05 2009,20:32)Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 05 2009,20:20)Hi tt, But your reliance on intuitive knowledge is useless as it is personal to you.All men are weak and the problem is few know it.The success of Jesus Christ, the man, related partly to his awareness of his utter dependance of…[Read more]

bodhitharta said to Nick:Quote I have shown you throughout the scriptures that The son of Man means mankind and nothing more.Therefore the Sabbath was made for mankind and is the lord of it also.bd,Man is not Lord of the sabbath just because it was made for him. All that it means is that it was made for man's benefit. If man was Lord of the…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 09 2009,07:03)Hi TT, He was God's son because God was his father by the Spirit. It is not a title but a fact.Then he was reborn.Nick,I yield to Kathi.thinker

WorshippingJesus said;Quote Hi JackAnd if you notice in context verse 10 shows the translators went from the word “It” to…He was in ye worlde and the worlde was made by “him”: and yet the worlde knewe “him” not. vrs 10Its amzaing how he thinks that these obscure translations prove anything.Blessings WJWJ, I did notice but wanted to first see how…[Read more]

To All,I show you again that Paladin misreads the intent of the various translations he offers as “proof” that God and the Word is an “it.” He pointed out that the Bishop's Bible reads “it.”Quote All thynges were made by it: and without it, was made nothyng that was made.Again, the translators of the Bishop's Bible did not want to be…[Read more]

To All,Paladin notes also that the Tyndale Bible translates “it.”Quote All thinges were made by it and with out it was made nothinge that was made.However, in verse 14 the Word is identified as the Son as it is in the Geneva Bible,Quote And the worde was made flesshe and dwelt amonge vs and we sawe the glory of it as the glory of the only begotten…[Read more]

Quote (Not3in1 @ June 09 2009,05:57)Quote (thethinker @ June 09 2009,02:57)Mandy said to Kathi:Quote You and I have come to two different understandings of the issue, but I think we are not too far off on the main idea…..that Jesus is indeed a literal son, not in need of adoption as we are!Hi Mandy,I agree with you and Kathi that the sonship of…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ June 07 2009,15:51)Kerwin…….. The word LOGOS, came from the Greek word LOGIC, and it can even be applied that way in John 1:1 and it will make sense to any one who can understand a (word) is the expression of ones Logic or intellect. A word is simply an expression of Intellect and intellect is the LOGIC of that person, and of…[Read more]

Paladin said:Quote My response does not comprise the “whole story of Jesus.” It was a simple question, requiring a simple response. It does not require me to supply all that I know about Jesus to answer the question.As for your view telling the whole story of Jesus, it tells far more than the “whole story of Jesus,” because you tell of a…[Read more]

Lightenup said:Quote Thinker,Heb 5:8-98 Although He was a Son, He learned obedience from the things which He suffered. 9 And having been made perfect, He became to all those who obey Him the source of eternal salvation, NASUHe was called Savior at His birth but at that point had not given eternal salvation to anyone.  He had to suffer and die and…[Read more]

Mandy said to Kathi:Quote You and I have come to two different understandings of the issue, but I think we are not too far off on the main idea…..that Jesus is indeed a literal son, not in need of adoption as we are!Hi Mandy,I agree with you and Kathi that the sonship of Jesus is unique. This is very important. However, He is not a “literal…[Read more]