Marty said:Quote Hi thethinker:Did Jesus not say that it was the Father doing the works through him?If God was dwelling in him, then it follows that he is not God in the sense that you are trying to say.  He is the express image of God's person, and so he is God in this sense.Jesus was limited while He lived in the flesh.Marty said:Quote The…[Read more]

WorshipingJesus said:Quote Hi NHAre you saying that it is not possible for God to do?He created all flesh didnt he?Is there anything impossible for him NH? Is there anything to hard for him? Or have you limited him to do only what your doctrine dictates?If he can live inside of you and me at the same time then why could he not put on a body in the…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 17 2009,10:53)Hi TT, So you choose an absolute understanding or first and last?There are other possibilities so keep an open mind.Jesus was given to have that eternal life in Himself and became for us the source of that life from God in him.Nick,Your view that Jesus is the First and the last Son is inferred. And you say…[Read more]

Paladin said:Quote I agree he is not God, BUT, and this is important, he IS a man mediating for man. As for being God, as the son of God he is a form of God, but is not God.One cannot be both a thing and a form of the thing.Paladin,You said that Christ was “a form” of God. Just how many forms does God have? The Greek literally reads,Quote Who…[Read more]

bodhitharta wrote:Quote Mark 14:35-37 (King James Version)35And he went forward a little, and fell on the ground, and prayed that, if it were possible, the hour might pass from him. 36And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt. He did ask and God did…[Read more]

Lightenup said:Quote Hi Thinker,Don't miss my point which was that the Son could be referred to as the “First and the Last” in a different way than the Father could be referred to as the “First and the Last.” Whether it refers to Him as the first and last Lamb of GOD that takes away the sins of the world, or the first and last Son of GOD, both of…[Read more]

Irene said:Quote thinker  As far as I am concerned, the Father is and always was greater then the Son. My Husband is the head of our Family, therefore He is greater then I.  But He is to love me, and He would let me do as a member of our Family. The Head of Christs is God the Father.   Also He was in Heaven before He came to earth.  In John He say…[Read more]

Nick said:Quote Hi BD,If you were one with the vine you would know he was your Lord.he is the mediator with our father, and his father, God.1 Cor 8Nick,This is one of those rare occasions we agree.thinker

Quote (Lightenup @ June 17 2009,06:27)Quote (thethinker @ June 16 2009,11:22)Nick said:Quote Hi TT,Indeed Jesus is the first and the last Son of God.Nick,Your comment is the most blatant Scripture twisting I have seen in a while.thinkerHi Thinker,I agree with Nick here, if someone is unique, a one of a kind in other words then they are the first…[Read more]

bodhitharta said:Quote Your right! The Father didn't die so how do you contend that God died for your sins?bd,I said that the Father did not die. The Hebrew for God is “Elohim” which is plural. We've been over this. Anyway, you did not answer the point I made that Jesus said of Himself “I am the First and the Last.” What about it?thinker

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 16 2009,16:58)Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 16 2009,16:24)Hi BD, Read Acts 2.39 . This promise is to all who repent.Isaiah 59 1Behold, the LORD's hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear: Who is it that saves Nick? You are starting to sound like a trinitarian“You shall call His…[Read more]

bodhitharta said:Quote He did ask the Father to save him from death and the Father did listen.bd,Jesus did NOT asked to be saved from death. He said that if He had asked for twelve legions of angels the Father would give it to Him. If the Father would have given it to Him then He did not have to subject Himself to death if He didn't want.…[Read more]

Paladin said:Quote NEW SENTENCE]8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith THE LORD, which is, and which was, and which is to come, THE ALMIGHTY.Jesus was called Gibbowr El, not Shaddai El. When Jesus was raised from the dead, he put off mortality and put on oikeerteerion; the same oikeeteerion which the angels of Gen 6 abandoned…[Read more]

Quote (meerkat @ June 14 2009,08:59)Thinker,When it says that Christ will be subject to the Father so that God can be all in all – it is different from you saying that it really means the the distinction between Father and Son is lost. It does not say that.  It says that Christ will be G5293ὑποτάσσωhupotassōhoop-ot-as'-soFrom G5259 and G5021;…[Read more]

Paladin said to thinker:Quote Your response shames me even more.Paladin,It was you who initiated the peace making and it speaks highly of you and I respect you for it. No need to be shamed.thinker

Nick said:Quote Hi TT,Indeed Jesus is the first and the last Son of God.Nick,Your comment is the most blatant Scripture twisting I have seen in a while.thinker

Quote (942767 @ June 16 2009,13:10)Quote (thethinker @ June 16 2009,12:40)Jesus said of Himself:”I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. Rev 1:8Attn bodhitharta: What was that you said about a “death blow” to trinitarianism?thinkerHi thethinker:This is what…[Read more]

Quote (gollamudi @ June 16 2009,19:57)Hi brother Thinker,Heb 1:10 is the pure interpretation of the Hebrew(book) writer's interpretation that God is speaking to Son. The Original Jewish scripture in Ps 102 never says like that.Gollumandi,Psalm 102 does say that. And the book of Hebrews is also Jewish Scripture. It was written by a Jew who was…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 16 2009,19:49)Hi TT, Was God talking to Himself?Nick,Elohim is PLURAL. You know this.thinker

Quote (gollamudi @ June 16 2009,18:27)Hi brother WJ,The Jewish authorities at the time of Jesus misunderstood and alleged that Jesus claimed himself as God and equal to God. Therefore they framed charges against him and crucified him. The same thing happenning now. Many of our Christians are alleging that Jesus is God and equal to God which he…[Read more]