Paladin said:Quote AND he still did not say Christ was the rock, did he? He said the rock was Christ.Paladin,The Rock that “followed them” was not that lump of minerals that Moses struck. I will no longer entertain to your insanity regarding this particular point.thinker

Quote (gollamudi @ June 20 2009,21:42)Hi brother Thinker,So you are the one who want to give death blow to a non-trinitarian. What difference it make us and the old orthodoxy which killed many saints by burning them on stake?Gollamudi,I agree with you. Keep in mind that Islamic extremists are anti-trinitarian and they murder people. They think…[Read more]

Quote (Cindy @ June 21 2009,04:56)thinker  If we believe what Jesus told us, that nobody heard the Fathers voice or seen His form, we have to believe that it was the Spokes-Word of God, who was the Son of God. John 1:1-2.  In Proverbs 8:22-30 are very interesting verses. You might want to check them out.Peace and Love IreneHi Irene,I believe t…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 21 2009,03:37)Thinker,The Holy One of GOD is the Son, that is one of His names in the old testament.  The Most High GOD is speaking to His Holy One.KathiKathi,Show from the old testament where there was a Father and Son relationship in the Godhead before Christ's incarnation and exaltation.thanks, thinker

Quote (Gene @ June 21 2009,02:47)Thinker……….I love you brother, but if you would just apply you knowledge to the truth that Jesus is (NOT) A GOD, I am going to pray that the FATHER will allow you to see this and understand it brother.with much love and peace to you brother……………………….geneGene,I have NEVER said that Jesus is…[Read more]

Irene said:Quote thinker  Psalm 110:1 in my KJV it says:” The LORD said to my Lord.  Sit at my right hand, Til I make Your enemies Your footstool. Notice the first LORD is in capital letters while the second Lord is not.  The first is the Father and the second is Jesus. Who in  the world is Adora. That verse says nothing about Adora. What Bib…[Read more]

Lightenup said:Quote Lightenup said: Of course, my opinion is that the Father is talking to His Son.This cannot be the Father speaking to the Son because there was no Father or Son type of relationship in the Godhead in Isaiah's time. The Christ did not officially become the “Son” until His exaltation. It was at this time that God became His…[Read more]

Marty said:Quote Hi thethinker:The “US” here represents God, the Lord, and humanity.  It is just like him sending us into the world to preach the gospel.Marty,What is your proof from the context that the “US” is a reference to God, the Lord and humanity? Furthermore, the word “Lord” (adon or adonai) is Christ (Psalm 110:1). You didn't deal with…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ June 20 2009,11:50)WJ……….If your referring to the Scripture that says that (CHRIST) was the Rock that followed them in the wilderness, It does not refer  JESUS, Lets read it Rightly, FOR THE (ANOINTING) or CHRISTOS, WAS THE ROCK THAT FOLLOWED THEM IN THE WILDERNESS, and some time this atoning is on angles and on men also, Its…[Read more]

bodhitharta said:Quote See, you say blood relative, correct?1 Corinthians 15:49-51 (King James Version)50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. In other words humans cannot be God and God does not have blood nor fleshbd,The passage you refer to is speaking…[Read more]

Paladin said:Quote Why do you suppose Paul did NOT say “Christ was the rock” in I Cor 10:4?Paladin,Why do you suppose Paul said “spiritual” rock? Quote And they all drank of that spiritual rock…and that rock was the ChristIt is evident that you would  elevate a lump of minerals at the expense of the One who died for you.thinker

Marty said:Quote There is only “ONE” YHWH, but all those who are obeying His Word are partakers of his divine nature, and so when He says “US”, is referring to Himself and those who are obeying His Word.Marty,Your explanation is not possible. First, men who obey Him did not come down and say, “Let US confuse their languages.” Men did not “come…[Read more]

WorshippingJesus said:Quote Hi JackYes I did. Maybe when Moses anointed the Rock (did he?) the rock came to life and followed them. Also, for a non-trintarian if Jesus was just a “mere man” then to be true to the scriptures he would have to be a worm to them.WJ,Paladin overlooked that it says that the people drank of that spiritual Rock. This was…[Read more]

WJ,Did you see Paladin's post inwhich he said that the rock that went with the people in the wilderness was not Jesus but an “anointed” rock? Can anti-trinitarian nonsense get more absurd? On another thread Paladin said that Jesus the Son of Man was a “worm.” Now he is saying that a lump of minerals was the “anointed” one in the wilderness.Jesus =…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 20 2009,01:10)Thinker,We are told over and over in the New Testament that the Father created everything in heaven and earth through the Son.  So, the Father is speaking to the Son.  Here we have a conversation between two beings, the Most High GOD speaking to His Son.  The Son shared the image of the Father because sons do…[Read more]

Paladin said:Quote There are many Hebrew “plural” form nouns that have nothing to do with number. I will limit this post to one example; Jeroboam; “And Jeroboam the son of Nebat, an Ephrathite of Zereda, Solomon's servant, whose mother's name was Zeruah, a widow woman, even he lifted up his hand against the king.” Paladin,Please forget about…[Read more]

Marty said:Quote Hi thethinker:He is Elohim because he is the God of god's and the Lord of Lords and he does not tell us to whom he is referring when He uses the term “us”, but in the OT He used angels to minister to men, and so, I believe that He was speaking to the angels or messengers in the verses that you quote.  Later he used men in this…[Read more]

Paladin said:Quote “The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. 23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. 24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water. 25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 19 2009,10:48)Hi TT, Are you suggesting several gods had discussions together? God is one.Nick,The plural pronoun “US” was Moses' word and not mine. Okay, so I know that you can't explain it.thinker

Marty said:Quote Hi thethinker:The scripture that I quoted states that God was “in Christ”, and so that means that Jesus is not God.  God was dwelling within him.  Isn't that what the scripture states?And I am going to repeat the following scripture, and let that be the end of this discussion with you.  I can see that you will not be corrected ev…[Read more]