Quote (942767 @ July 14 2009,10:04)Quote (thethinker @ July 14 2009,09:55)Marty,It is allegorical for the chosen in Isaac. Abraham asked God to make Ishmael the heir and God replied saying “NO.” (Gen. 17:19,20)thinkerHi thethinker:The following quote from the book of Galatians:Quote 21Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear…[Read more]

bodhitharta said:Quote John 8:28 (Young's Literal Translation)28 Jesus, therefore, said to them, `When ye may lift up the Son of Man then ye will know that I am ; and of myself I do nothing, but according as my Father did teach me, these things I speak;bd,The “he” is in brackets which means that it is NOT in the Greek text. Jesus did not say “I am…[Read more]

Marty,It is allegorical for the chosen in Isaac. Abraham asked God to make Ishmael the heir and God replied saying “NO.” (Gen. 17:19,20)thinker

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 14 2009,09:34)Hi T, So he said I AM. I thought you told us he said he is the I AM?What part of the statement “before Abraham was I AM do you not like?thinker

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 14 2009,09:32)Hi TT, To divert Certainly God demands that all his servants be honoured just as He, is especially His son, because they represent Him and speak His words.  But that does not mean He wants men to worship His Son or His prophets. True worshipers worship the Father as he told us.Are you one of those?True…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 14 2009,07:52)Hi TC, Where did Jesus SAY that he was I AM?Another inference poorly taken?He told the Jews about their first commandment without saying it was about himself. Your confsuion will be resolved whn you know he is the son of God spoken of in Ps 2Nick,I can't believe you asked this. Irene said that you know the…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 14 2009,09:19)Hi TT, How can anyone claim respect for their claim of following Jesus if they teach what he did not teach? BD will make mincemeat of you unless you cast overboard what is not essential.Your doctrines give a bad name to the Teacher.So you're saying that Jesus did not teach that the Father wants all men to…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 14 2009,09:02)Hi TT, So what scripture says about God being the head of Christ is not correct in your opinion?What scripture that says that Christ is God is not correct in your opinion?thinker

bodhitharta said:Quote So what you are saying is that when the scriptures say that God was with Ishmael it doesn't mean that God is the God of Ishmael?What was God then to him just a buddy shooting the breeze with him? Your logic is really off and nonsensical.Let me get this straight when the Bible says that God was with Jesus, you say it means…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 14 2009,09:09)Hi TT,Not the issue. You teach from outside Scripture that God is a trinity. How can you say that BD's teachings from outside scripture are invalid? Get your own foundation firm if you wish to be any use to your Master.You made it the issue when you said that the trinity doctrine opens the door for attacks…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 14 2009,08:24)Hi TC, The weak vulnerable trinity doctrine opens the door for attacks on christianity. BD does not understand the difference between the body of Christ and the rebel whore.Best to put aside what is indefensible and will be pulled out and rather cherish what is provenNick,Bod is an anti-trinitarian who is…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 14 2009,08:48)Hi TT, And you admit the Father is above Christ. Good. That puts to bed the three equal PART trinity idea.Read what I said again Nick. I did not say that the Father is above Christ. I said that the Father above Christ is NOT all in all now meaning that they are equal.thinker

Quote (datguy @ July 14 2009,07:07)WJ, Why just a trinity, what about the seven spirits of God that are bowing before his throne in revelation?Could they be seen as” God the father, God the son, God Holy Spirit  and God the seven spirits?”The seven spirits were the seven angels that were sent to the seven churches in Asia.thinker

Quote (Paladin @ July 14 2009,04:17)Quote (thethinker @ July 14 2009,02:58)Paladin said:Quote How is Christ “all in all” when he is not “in all” to begin with? He is only in those who are in him.The Father is not “in all” either. So what have you proven?thinkerPaul finished naming several categories of Christians, then observed Christ is all, as…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 14 2009,06:36)Quote (thethinker @ July 14 2009,02:55)Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 13 2009,21:43)Hi TT, The prophets too should have been honoured by were murdered.Nick,Where do the Scriptures say that all judgment had been committed to one of the prophets before Christ? And where do you find a atatement that a prophet before…[Read more]

Paladin said:Quote You are drawing a false conclusion from the scriptures that speak of God being “all in all” and Jesus being “all and in all.”With God it is speaking of the end when the kingdom is returned to the father and God is all in all.So you admit that the Father above Christ is not all in all NOW.Paladin said:Quote With Jesus he has just…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ July 13 2009,04:16)Thinker……….A image is never the real thing, it is the reflection of the real thing, Jesus reflected GOD to US, Because He obeyed Him, “I alway do those things that please the FATHER, not because He was TRUE GOD as ONLY the FATHER is. Even your example of the sun rays , is but a reflection of the sun but not…[Read more]

Paladin said:Quote Hello thinker;It is a mistake to apply to Jesus what in scripture is applied to God.When Jesus hands the kingdom to the Father after the last enemy is destroyed, God will be “all in all.” It is NEVER said of Jesus, that he is or will be “all in all.”Paladin,Thank you! God will be all in all (your own words). In the meantime…[Read more]

Paladin said:Quote When Jesus says he “came out from God” he is simply saying he comes from God. “There was a man sent from God” is another way of saying the same thing. And that is said about John, the baptiser. John was not pre-existing in heaven with God.Paladin,John used “para” when he said that John the baptizer was “from ” God. He used “ek”…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 12 2009,21:53)Quote (thethinker @ July 12 2009,21:22)Quote (bodhitharta @ July 12 2009,21:03)Quote (thethinker @ July 12 2009,20:44)bodhitharta said:Quote When God uses olam it means as Far as He can see and that would mean without end.Wrong! The word “olam” is used in reference to Christ's rule over the house of Jacob.…[Read more]