Lightenup said:Quote Here is several translations of Matt 27:63 and none of them indicate that Jesus said He would raise Himself.  The word “Myself” is not in the verse.  “I will rise again” is in the passive voice. See here and click on the Greek Lexical Parser:Kathi,I did not say that “Myself” was in the translations. I said that the middle v…[Read more]

Lightenup said:Quote The disciples recalled His words after He was raised from the dead, true.  Look at the verb “raised” and notice that it is in the passive tense:John 2:2222 So when He was raised from the dead…NASUAlso, Jesus told them that He was going back to the Father during His time with them.  Those were His words also that they r…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 23 2009,09:41)Hi LU, Jesus was indwelled by the Spirit of God till he died. Now he is enlived only by that SpiritThe Lord is the Spirit.God and His Son can come to us in that Spirit. We can fellowship and communion with the Father and the Son in the Spirit.Yes Nick,We have fellowship in the trinity. thinker

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 23 2009,05:31)Quote (thethinker @ Aug. 22 2009,06:48)Lightenup said:Quote Keith, No, I don't think you are stupid but I beg you to slow down, get off the defensive, take a breath and analyze the verse. You can go here to see that the article translated “of Him who” is in the masculine singular genitive just like the verb…[Read more]

WorshippingJesus said:Quote And John also narrates and tells us it was Jesus speaking of himself…Then the Jews demanded of him, “What miraculous sign can you show us to prove your authority to do all this?”Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and I WILL RAISE IT AGAIN IN THREE DAYS.” The Jews replied, “It has taken forty six years to…[Read more]

Jodi Lee said:Quote Jesus is not saying that he raises himself from the dead, he lays down his life and takes his life. He is saying that it is by his choice that he laid down his life for others and had it taken from him, and notice it was a command he was receiving from his Father.Jodi,You totally misconstrue what Jesus said. Others did not take…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ Aug. 23 2009,02:46)Thinker………Jesus said GOD was SPIRIT. You can't see SPIRIT thats why he said,  No Man Has seen GOD at anytime (WHY) because GOD is SPIRIT and SPIRIT is INTELLECT and you can't see (intellect) and it is expressed in WORD. WE are washed by the WORDS of GOD, Let this (MIND)or (intellect) be in you that was…[Read more]

Lightenup said:Quote Keith, No, I don't think you are stupid but I beg you to slow down, get off the defensive, take a breath and analyze the verse. You can go here to see that the article translated “of Him who” is in the masculine singular genitive just like the verb “raised” which is also the masculine singular genitive.  Here is the…[Read more]

TO KATHI:It occurred to me today that Jesus said that when the Spirit came He (it) would not speak of Himself (itself) but would glorify Christ.So if the Spirit is the Father then the Father glorifies Christ and NOT Himself in this gospel dispensation. So why would you glorify the Father over the Son? You would not be speaking what the Father…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 22 2009,14:59)Quote (thethinker @ Aug. 22 2009,13:39)WorshippingJesus said to kathi:Quote That was my point to Marty is that the Spirit in context of Rom 8:8:26, 27 cannot be the Father or Jesus.If you say the Spirit here is the Father then it would not be the Father through the Holy Spirit who gives life to our…[Read more]

Quote (theodorej @ Aug. 22 2009,09:28)Quote (Cato @ Aug. 22 2009,05:59)The idea of hate crime laws are to enforce greater punishment (and hopefully, but doubtedly deter) those crimes that tend to cause social disruption out of proportion to the actual incident.  In a practical sense it is to promote social cohesion, in a political sense it is…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ Aug. 22 2009,02:01)No one wants to beat you down.  Perhaps some of your ideas, but not you physically.  I do not consider you worthy of death if you are a homophobe.StuartI was asked a question and I answered it. I am not a homophobe. I want EQUAL rights for all and not special rights for homosexuals.thinker

WorshippingJesus said to kathi:Quote That was my point to Marty is that the Spirit in context of Rom 8:8:26, 27 cannot be the Father or Jesus.If you say the Spirit here is the Father then it would not be the Father through the Holy Spirit who gives life to our bodies!Jesus said that the Holy Spirit would be sent from the Father and assume a…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ Aug. 22 2009,07:11)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 22 2009,04:12)Quote (Gene @ Aug. 21 2009,11:19)Lightenup………Yes the Spirit (OF) Him and If it is the SPIRIT (OF) HIM, it can be described as an (IT), for instance the cow got out and (IT) ran away. It is still the same thing  the Cow being described by the word (IT)> Good post…[Read more]

TO KEITH:Here is another verse,“The SPIRIT and the bride say, 'Come!'….Whosoever desires, let him take of the water of life freely.”The Spirit speaks to people and invites them to come and drink of the water of life.thinker

WorshippingJesus said to Kathi:Quote And guess what Jesus who also is God, who raised himself from the dead!Jesus concurs with WJ,Quote 17 “Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again. 18 No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. T…[Read more]

Kathi said:Quote Look at the verse in your interlinear.  “Of Him that raised up Jesus” goes together.  Sorry!Kathi,Copy and paste your Interlinear for us and indicate which Interlinear it is. My Interlinear says “Spirit of Him” and so does my Greek new testament. thinker

Jodi lee said:Quote Hmmm, after taking a closer look at the above passage and knowing what many other scriptures say, I believe that Jesus was quoting the Father and not speaking on behalf of himself.First he was misunderstood, they thought Jesus was saying that he would raise up the temple. But he wasn't talking about raising the temple but his…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ Aug. 21 2009,16:15)Quote (thethinker @ Aug. 21 2009,08:23)Quote (Stu @ Aug. 21 2009,06:54)I believe that is how the law is applied in some countries, the UK for example.  They have many instances of racial and homophobic attack which is definitely motivated by prejudice, often incited by the political actions of parties like the BNP.…[Read more]

Quote (Jodi Lee @ Aug. 21 2009,15:20)First of all, I'd like to know who assaults an old lady for sport? Interesting example of comparison TT. Let's actual take a minute and differentiate between what drives a person to assault a gay person verses a person who might assault a lady for sport, even though I have a hard time with that one. A person…[Read more]