t8's source says:Quote But can we really read the word 'Theos' in John 1:1c as qualitative rather using it to refer to an identity? The most likely candidate is that the last instance of 'theos' (in John 1:1c) is qualitative. This is true both grammatically and theologically. (Also, if The Logos was 'the God' in identity, then the verse would be…[Read more]

Quote (princess of the king @ Sep. 13 2009,00:38)Quote (CatholicApologist @ Sep. 12 2009,19:58)Quote (princess of the king @ Sep. 12 2009,18:53)then the deceiver left him and see messengers came and attended him.mat 4.11the tri's god is weak, needed others to attend him. Now, Christ, his Father knew how to take care of his son.“But chiefly them…[Read more]

Nick said:Quote There is no GOD THE WORD or GOD THE SON in the bible.“In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word WAS GOD.”It was literally written, “And God was the Word.” Yet you say there is no God the Word.If you want scripture over traditions as you claim, then believe the scripture above or your claim is false.thinker

Quote (Gene @ Sep. 13 2009,01:31)CA………..I don't think Satan did Such a bad Job , the Catholic's and the Protestants , bought into the concept of the TRINITY years later. IMOgene“Looking for that blessed hope the glorious appearing of the great God and Savior Jesus Christ” (Titus 2:13)So Paul was a Satan inspired Catholic or…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 09 2009,07:58)Hi TT, Even the Sun, moon and stars have their own gloryWhere does God say he will share His glory with another?-He doesn't.And Christ has His own glory which is the glory of God.thinker

Quote thinker……..it doesn't matter if the Jews except Jesus as there messiah that changes nothing , GOD is still GOD of the Jews as well as all His creation. That does not change no matter what People think or say. He is still the GOD of Jesus also. AS scripture says.Gene,How many trinitarians would reject jesus? Answer: None. How many…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ Sep. 13 2009,03:16)CA………..Jesus gave his life to GOD the FATHER and therefore his life was considered (GOD'S) life and His blood GOD'S Blood He was the (LAMB) of GOD. No where does this imply Jesus is GOD Himself.  If you understood How GOD (GAVE) His uniquely begotten son> you would have known that. The delusion of the…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 12 2009,15:32)Hi Kat, Indeed God was….in the vessel of His son. God can be in your vessel too.It says that God was manifest “in the flesh.” The Son was God made flesh.thinker

Quote (princess of the king @ Sep. 12 2009,18:57)Quote You are correct that Constantine is responsible for the freedom of all religions to worship God as they saw fit.to worship god as they saw fit…………explains alot.Your point being….thinker

Quote (Gene @ Sep. 12 2009,14:36)Thinker…….So what is Protestants and Catholics excuse for Killing each other of in Ireland because of their “TRUE” belif systems of the TRINITY, seeing they (BOTH) have the “TRUE” teachings of GOD.  Athanaus and Ariens are both wrong, but Athanaus More wrong. But two wrongs don't make a right either. At least…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 12 2009,14:04)hi Kat, Listen to Jesus. True worshippers worship the father in Spirit and truth.ARE YOU A TRUE WORSHIPER OR NOT?You listen to Jesus Nick. Mind your own soul. Jesus said that true worshipers worship in spirit and in TRUTH. In John 8 He said that those who love God must honor the Son. If you don't honor the…[Read more]

Quote (katjo @ Sep. 12 2009,14:13)Thinker, Im glad you did read that post. Could you please tell me what all these scriptures say to you?  I would be more confused trying to understand the bible if I looked over scriptures like:John1;1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the word was God… Rev. 1;8 I am the alpha and…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 12 2009,14:09)Hi TT, He has glory and John testified to it. Even the sun, moon and stars have glory and they are not god are theyYou're pathetic Nick. Now you're saying that Jesus deserves no more honor than the sun, moon and stars. But Peter said, “to Him be THE glory.” Hebrews says that Christ is “counted worthy” of the…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 12 2009,14:05)HI TT, JESUS SAID TRUE WORSHIPERS WORSHIP THE FATHER BUT YOU KNOW BETTER?Why is Jesus not the source of what you teach?Read it again Nick. Jesus said that true worshipers worship the Father in spirit and in TRUTH. Is the Father worshiped when Jesus is denied His glory? I think you know the answer.Jesus told…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ Sep. 12 2009,13:05)Thinker…………Jesus is the servant of God and is subject to the seven Spirits of GOD (IN) Him.  This is how GOD is making Jesus' enemy's His foot Stool is by His Spirit indwelling Him, with POWER.  Now where does it say Jesus (IS) GOD , it says GOD was (IN) Christ reconciling the WORLD unto (HIMSELF). What p…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 12 2009,10:03)Hi TT, We should worship the God of the Jews should we not rather than any new God?What “new” God? I speak only of Jesus. And if YHWH was the God of the Jews then they would have accepted Jesus as their King. What Bible do you read?thinker

Quote (Gene @ Sep. 12 2009,13:26)Nick………….Amen, The God of the Jew is the one and only true GOD, NO other exists. IMOpeace and love………………….geneIf the Jew worshiped the one and only true God then they would have accepted their Messiah. Muslims believe in one God as the Jews. Yet Muslims deny that Jesus was crucified and the…[Read more]

Quote (katjo @ Sep. 11 2009,14:21)nick, and thinker;  the term “right hand of God” you need to read the post on page 24 and the post on 25,26 on the trinity.kat,I read the post and agree with most of it. One point is that in the Old testament God was the Husband and Israel was the wife. In the new testament Christ is the Husband and the Church is…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 12 2009,07:00)Hi TT, Not a servant of the Jews but a servant of God sent to the Jews.Double talk. It says that Christ BECAME a servant to the circumcision.thinker

bodhitharta said:Quote You are still not making a point other than to agree with me that a representative may be addressed as the one who sent him but that wouldn't make the messenger “be” the one who sent the message.The Messenger Himself could not say “I am the God of your fathers” unless that Messenger was God (Exodus 3:6). The Messenger…[Read more]