TO ALL, It has been shown that after God created the first male and female of our species he called them  both collectively “the adam.” The woman was more than an adam with her own individuality. She was also “the adam” together with her male counterpart. Individuality was viewed within the context of community in ancient thought.Quote Personhood…[Read more]

Keith said;Quote Hey JackI have, but I doubt t8 will do anything even though he disagrees with the JWs and Mikes arthrous rendering of John 1:1C.T8 has all but called me a liar by inferring I am dishonest.It's Ok because I know who the “Accuser of the Brethren” is.Keith,I am talking about the double standard and not about your being called…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 22 2011,01:51)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 19 2011,18:51)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 19 2011,16:47)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 19 2011,17:37)Murray J. Harris has written: “Accordingly, from the point of view of grammar alone, could be rendered “the Word was a god,….” -Jesus As God, 1992, p. 60.C. H. Dodd says: “If a…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 22 2011,01:51)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 19 2011,18:51)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 19 2011,16:47)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 19 2011,17:37)Murray J. Harris has written: “Accordingly, from the point of view of grammar alone, could be rendered “the Word was a god,….” -Jesus As God, 1992, p. 60.C. H. Dodd says: “If a…[Read more]

Keith said to Mike:Quote And you are a liar to be calling me dishonest when you have not proven anything except the opinions of a couple of scholars.Give Mike a tile Keith. He can't take his integrity being called into question but he can surely question the integrity of others. Mike has no business being a moderator because he participates way…[Read more]

TO ALL,The word 'theos' twice used in John 1:1 is a proper name and is therefore definite both times with and without the article.“Theoretically a proper name should not need an article because it is by its very nature definite“ (Syntax of New Testament Greek, James A. Brooks, page 75).The absence of the article before 'theos' in 1:1c indicates…[Read more]

Mike said:Quote The Greek words and the Greek grammar allow for it, and EVERY scholar knows this.TO ALL,It is not true that “EVERY” scholar knows that it is grammatically possible to translate John 1:1c 'a god.'First, it is not grammatically possible because the word 'theos' is a proper nameQuote “In the third place, in the NT theos (like kurios)…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 20 2011,08:44)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 19 2011,16:14)And that's the whole point, Keith.  When translating ANY writing from a language that does not use an indefinite article into a language that does, everything is up to interpretation and context.  But interpretation and context is based upon MAN'S opinion and c…[Read more]

WJ said to Mike:Quote What I find amazing is how often you use “hypothetical” scenarios to prove your points. Theory and opinions are not facts Mike?

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 20 2011,06:12)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 19 2011,13:46)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 19 2011,12:07)MikeOf course it can be translated that way, the NWT is proof of that. But is it “Grammatically” correct?Keith, I have never asked you if it is “grammatically CORRECT”.  I've only asked if it was grammatically…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 09 2011,10:32)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 08 2011,09:01)This is amazing! There is not a shred of evidence that Matt 28:19 is not scripture. Thanks guys for proving what I knew all along.Hi Keith,Could you answer the question directed at you?  Jack, could you do the same?  Thanks in advance.Quote Listen to what they s…[Read more]

Quote There must exist a holding place for the dead and according to at least one parable there was a place for the wicked and another for the righteos and they are/were separate. Now we do know that Hell (or whatever the Greek word for that is) exists.The holding place for the dead (hades) was cast into the lake of fire when Christ returned in…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 09 2011,06:15)Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 08 2011,12:47)Hi Jack,You never did tell us what denomination the church is that you go to?God blessEd J (Joshua 22:34)http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgBump for JackTry following the thread Ed.Quote Keith,I knew that some would misuse my concern as a soap box against churches. This is why I would…[Read more]

Mike said:Quote There is absolutely NOTHING in 1:1 that even remotely teaches that the Word who was WITH the God IS the God.  All you've ever had with that scripture was your weak claim that “Jesus is CALLED god, so he IS God”.Mike, First, your buddy t8 disagrees with you. He has REPEATEDLY said that John 1:1 teaches that Jesus is God qualitatively…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 25 2011,16:29)Hi WJ,(gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God)Revelation 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH! יהוה האלהים…[Read more]

SF said:Quote I hope to find what exactly the bible calls a Church “without blemish”The church without blemish is in heaven.KJ

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 09 2011,03:51)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Mar. 08 2011,01:05)The church is a scam, no wonder thier are people who want nothing to do with Church or chrisitians. No wonder thier are people like Stuart who dont believe. I dont blame them.   Its Foolishness to believe in such things.DennisonI don't think your blanket…[Read more]

Keith said:Quote I will not debate with someone who denys all scripture as being inspired. What is the point?This is fundamental Keith. For a debate to have any chance of being orderly the debaters must agree that all of the scripture is inspired except where there are varient readings in certain texts.There are no variant readings of Matthew…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 09 2011,03:59)Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 08 2011,02:42)Sorry,I Posted the last Post in the wrong thread.God bless  Ed Jhttp://www.holycitybiblecode.orgSo delete it.WJPosters cannot delete their posts. Only t8 can do that.Jack

David said:Quote Also, I don't understand your point.  So Jesus was “equal” with the Father after he was exalted, but not equal with him while on earth?David,Don't give me that dude! You know very well that Trinitarians teach that Christ existed in the form of God and then took upon Himself the form of a servant and then was exalted to His former…[Read more]