Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 23 2009,09:09)Hi TT, So you agree Jesus was not his own God and own Father? That should clear some of your confusion.Jehovah said that He was the “first and the last” King of Israel and blood relative-redeemer. Jesus also was the King of Israel and her blood relative redeemer. Either Jesus was speaking or Jehovah was…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 12 2008,14:26)Quote JESUS IS CALLED THE “FIRST AND THE LAST” IN A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT WAY AND FOR COMPLETELY DIFFERENT REASONS THAN JEHOVAH IS CALLED THE ALPHA AND OMEGA, THE FIRST AND LAST.  AND, WHAT'S MORE, THE CONTEXT, AND THE REST OF THE BIBLE IS ASTOUNDINGLY CLEAR ON WHY BOTH JESUS AND GOD ARE FIRST AND LAST IN…[Read more]

Gene said:Quote The reason Jesus is depicted (AS a SLAIN LAMB) is Because (HIS) WILL Has been PUT to DEATHGene,A lamb does not have will. He is pictured as a slain lamb because He was indeed the Lamb of God which took away the sin of the world. thinker

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 23 2009,08:31)Hi TT, Good, You can now distinguish our God from His Son.3 in 1 Nickthinker

Gene said:Quote TO All………..Jesus does (NOT) Share the (SAME) position as the FATHER DOES, NOW or ever Will. Or why would He turn His KINGDOM over to the FATHER and BE SUBJECT to HIM?.Gene,Jesus is equal in authority NOW. If He is not then Paul's statement that He “will be” subject is MEANINGLESS. You are not making sense. Furthermore, it is…[Read more]

Quote (CatholicApologist @ Sep. 23 2009,07:31)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 23 2009,07:25)Hi WJ, So the trinity dogma spawned by the deceived 180 years after their Master had left them.It has yet to be found in scripture and Jesus warned us about such deceivers.Nick,As moderator, you should know and respect that this thread is not about the Trinity.…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 23 2009,07:26)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 22 2009,15:21)Hi WJ, In my view the seven spirits are of the WATCHERS, the watching angels mentioned in DanielNHMaybe so, but Gene seems to think that Gods Spirits proceed from a dead lamb!WJ thinker

Quote (Gene @ Sep. 23 2009,07:08)Thinker……….I would expect nothing else from a deluded TRINITARIAN MIND. As I told you before come (completely) out of Her or you will recieve of Her (Whore Church's) Plagues. There are three very important things you must come out of  1, the TRINITY, 2 the PREEXISTENCE OF JESUS, 3 THE DOCTRINES OF DEVILS AND…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 23 2009,07:10)Hi TT, Your attacks come from the knowledge that your dogmas are not yours but those of the catholic church? You will need to choose your master well.Your father Bildad was an oracle of God or not?thinker

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 23 2009,06:59)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 22 2009,14:55)Hi WJ, Why do you preach catholic dogma but rebel against their pope? Surely you should seek obedience to the Lord Jesus.NHYou mean the same Catholic dogma you preach, like the death, burial and ressurection of Jesus?Or how about the great white throne judgment or…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 23 2009,07:12)Hi TT, Really? Did he say YOU CAIAPHAS? I missed it.He said to Caiaphas, “YOU shall see Me coming in the clouds.” Give up your futurist traditions Nick. Since you like to dissent from tradition you should welcome what I say.thinker

Quote (thethinker @ Sep. 22 2009,08:46)Quote (Gene @ Sep. 22 2009,06:19)Thinker………Please tell us why the seven Spirits of GOD are (IN) the Lamb, why are they there is not to direct His rule. IN the kingdom of GOD on earth. If you were smart enough to see the symbol is of a (DEAD) Lamb. why is that ?, It is because Jesus is (NOT) exercising…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 22 2009,08:55)Hi TT, JESUS was GIVEN ALL AUTHORITY.What a privileged servant of God. Serve him.Serve Him you say? Jehovah said He is a jealous God. Aren't you calling me to idolatry?    thinker

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 23 2009,06:42)Hi TT, Did you think those facing the seat of Judgement would not see the Lord of all?Some never die the second death so ever live in the eyes of God.Jesus said that they would see His coming in the clouds. Jesus explicitly told Caiaphas that he would see Him coming in the clouds. thinker

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 23 2009,06:52)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 22 2009,14:39)Hi TT, You teach CA's dogmas so these differences are minor. Men must add their pennyworth to truth.….saith the Lord according to NHs gospel! WJWJ,Don't forget that NH is a son of Bildad. Remember Bildad that Gnostic who said that the heavenly bodies are…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 23 2009,06:27)Hi TT, And you should believe the God of Jesus and his brothers.So I should not believe the Father? thinker

Quote (Gene @ Sep. 23 2009,06:35)Thinker………..Obviously it is GOD (IN) HIM via (the seven spirits of God) with power,  subjecting the world to Him as well as His enemies. AS it says, The LORD (GOD) Said unto MY Lord (JESUS) sit on my right side until (I) make your enemies your foot stool. Looks like the FATHER is doing all the work right,…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 23 2009,06:35)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 22 2009,14:32)Hi RM, So what you felt convinced you you were saved? You should obey God when he offers you the consolations of His presence.Listen to Peter in Acts 2 and Acts 10 and Paul in Col2 and you may put less reliance on your experiences.NHSo what you are saying is that…[Read more]

Rokkaman said:Quote Truth be told, both Jesus and The Father should be credited for creation, for The Father made it so when he didn't have to.In the new testament the Father credits the Son with the creation. On this I will hang my hat. I have seen successful husbands give their wives all the credit for their success. The Father gives the credit…[Read more]

Rokkaman said:Quote I mean the way you present this TT is as, Jesus created all things on his own accord…but it was The Father who created all things THROUGH Jesus…RM,The Father created THROUGH the Son. The Son did not create through the Father. Hebrews 1 says that God spoke BY the Son. It was the Son's own mouth that spoke. In the same manner…[Read more]