Jodi Lee,I checked your sources and not one of them supports your treatment of Colossians 1:16. Not one says that all things were created “for” Him and “for” Him. Your own sources say “by” and Him “for” Him or “through” Him and “for” Him.There is no “for” Him and “for” Him to be found anywhere. Produce a translation that says what you say.I will…[Read more]

Jodi Lee said:Quote The conversation was all for the instruction of Abraham. Just as YHWH knew before hand about Abraham’s descendants, He knew exactly what He was going to do with Sodom and Gomorrah before speaking with AbrahamJodi Lee,Please read the narrative again. It says nothing at all about YHWH having a conversation with someone for the b…[Read more]

Jodi Lee said”Quote A MESSENGER OF God came to speak the words of God, everything the messenger said therefore was God's words. Your argument to PROVE Jesus existed in the Old Testament as YHWH is truly and utterly pathetic IMO, I'm not sure why I even bother responding at this point, because your argument I find embarrassing for you.The narrative…[Read more]

Marty said:Quote These verses of scripture are speaking of the mystery of godliness and they are speaking of Jesus who is the Son of God and not God.Marty,By your logic we must conclude that verses which state that  Jesus was the Son of Man must mean that He was not Man.  thinker

Gene said:Quote Thinker ………..Why should He be an Heir if He created it all, it would be his anyway. Does it not say God does (ALL) things after the council of HIS (OWN) WILL, But Jesus said He came (NOT) to do HIS WILL But the WILL of HIM who SENT HIM. MY another trinitarian dilemma but i am sure you and WJ and CA have some (MYSTERY…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 02 2009,06:04)Hi TT, Why are you arguing with Gene? Most of his ideas are of gnosticism but so is trinity.Nick,You clearly are not informed. Gnosticism is the ememy of Trinitarians. Gnosticism and Arianism are a perfect marriage.thinker

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 02 2009,05:59)Hi CA, The catholic church is not of God.Your imagination is running wild.God does not abide with apostasy.What is apostasy Nick? Each man has his own definition of it when the Bible clearly defines and restricts it to the rejection of the new covenant. Therefore, you may be considered a backslider.thinker

Irene said:Quote This is my last post about the Catholic Church.Irene,It's about time. You have an axe to grind and the time is past due to let it go. It got old quickly.thinker

Quote (Gene @ Sep. 26 2009,10:56)Thinker ………..Why should He be an Heir if He created it all, it would be his anyway. Does it not say God does (ALL) things after the council of HIS (OWN) WILL, But Jesus said He came (NOT) to do HIS WILL But the WILL of HIM who SENT HIM. MY another trinitarian dilemma but i am sure you and WJ and CA have some…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ Oct. 01 2009,03:17)Thinker………First of all you can not show me one place where i bad mouth Jesus. Secondly Jesus Himself said He could do (NOTHING) of HIMSELF, those are not MY word BUT HIS word that you seem to disbelieve. YOUR argument is not with Me but Jesus HIMSELF, YOU and CA and WJ, all create A GOD equal the the ALMIGHTY…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ Sep. 30 2009,15:08)Quote (t8 @ Sep. 30 2009,07:39)T8…quotePlease tell WJ what you just said, that all instances of theos or elohim are not always in reference to the Most High God. And that sometimes they are in reference to being rulers or magistrates. WJ says that they are only in reference to false gods or the true God and this…[Read more]

Gene said:Quote WJ…….According to Jeff Benner, a Hebrew Scholar the word GOD was view by the ancient Hebrews as a uni-Plural word meaning POWERS. It's originally pictorial symbol, was the head of an OX with a STAFF, the Ox symbol was the prime symbol for Power, and the Staff was what they leaned on for support. This was to them the symbol of…[Read more]

Gene said:Quote WJ…………the LORD said as you quoted.” BEFORE ME THERE WAS NO GOD FORMED, NEITHER SHALL THERE BE AFTER ME” If you understood that the word GOD means (POWERS) from the word Elohim. A uniplural word. You would realize That what He was saying was that there were (NO) POWERS Before HIM and there will BE NONE After HIM either , NOW…[Read more]

Quote (CatholicApologist @ Oct. 01 2009,04:28)Quote (thethinker @ Sep. 30 2009,14:00)t8 said:Quote Please tell WJ what you just said, that all instances of theos or elohim are not always in reference to the Most High God. And that sometimes they are in reference to being rulers or magistrates. WJ says that they are only in reference to false gods…[Read more]

Jodi Lee said:Quote You believe that the messenger of YHWH IS YHWH, you believe that Jesus is YHWH, so therefore you believe that YHWH SENT himself to be his own messenger, so why does it say that just the Father sent Jesus, wouldn’t Jesus have sent himself?I said that the Messenger of YHWH was Jesus who SHARED the name YHWH. I said that the n…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ Sep. 30 2009,15:19)Thinker…………So there is a before and after in your theology, of Jesus' powers, So now people come to Jesus with out the drawing of the Spirit of GOD right, Just the idea that Jesus was raised does it right, We no longer need the SPIRIT of GOD to GUIDE us,  we just look up in the air at the risen Christ and…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Sep. 30 2009,13:14)Quote (thethinker @ Sep. 27 2009,11:41)Jesus wanted to save the unbelieving Jews:31If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true. 32There is another that beareth witness of me; and I know that the witness which he witnesseth of me is true. 33Ye sent unto John, and he bare witness unto the truth. 34But I…[Read more]

t8 said:Quote Please tell WJ what you just said, that all instances of theos or elohim are not always in reference to the Most High God. And that sometimes they are in reference to being rulers or magistrates. WJ says that they are only in reference to false gods or the true God and this reasoning leads him to believe that Jesus is God as he…[Read more]

Jodi Lee said:Quote YHWH sends His Spirit unto people. The Spirit of Wisdom is the perfect example. SHE is YHWH, and YHWH alone is wise. The Spirit of wisdom comes to us as truthful information, she is SENT from YHWH and it is received  into our brains.  This is exactly HOW the Spirit of the Father is in us, when we take on His truth and live by i…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ Sep. 30 2009,00:46)Nick…….> the SPIRIT (IS) the ANOINTING, Jesus was Anointed with. Same Spirit GOD anoints us with NO Difference. We Just don't have the (fullness) yet that Jesus Has.  All anointing  of (HOLY) Spirit comes from (ONE) source GOD the FATHER HIMSELF. Jesus said the (FATHER) who is (IN) ME (HE) doth the works. g…[Read more]