Quote (Gene @ Oct. 04 2009,03:27)CA………..until we grow unto the (FULL) measure of Christ is says not part measure as you think.  T8 is right , God the FATHER is very able to bring us unto the (FULL) measure of Christ. Again your Trinitarian dogmas are twisting the words of GOD. Just another attempt at mudding the waters of truth.…[Read more]

Constitutionalist said:Quote Yes you are correct that in most parts of God does stick up for Job. And Job knew that YHWH (Jesus) was sticking up for him. So why would Job “yearn” to have an Advocate when he already had the best lawyer in town?thinker

Quote (Gene @ Oct. 04 2009,04:03)WJ……….Wrong , Jesus was (NOT) the GOD that was (IN) HIM. He plainly said the FATHER was (IN) HIM. And the FATHER who was (IN) Him was doing the works. GOD in (ALL) and Through (ALL). He was in Jesus through the (CHRISTOS). And is in ALL who Have the Christos in them also. ONE GOD IN ALL and THROUGH ALL, not…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 04 2009,03:47)Quote (thethinker @ Oct. 03 2009,04:24)Quote (Is 1:18 @ Oct. 03 2009,13:03)I think these Genesis passages are problematic for the Arians. as they quite patently state that YHWH was seen. Yet the NT is just as emphatic in stating that The Father hasn't been seen….Hey Is. 1:18,It is good to see you…[Read more]

t8 said:Quote you still have to contend with the fact that we will be like himExcept for God's form. thinker

DUPLICATE FOR JODI LEE'S ATTENTIONTO JODI LEE:Jodi,The verse below is Colossians 1:16 in the Greek and notice that the two words are “di” and “eis” meaning “through” and “for.”τὰ πάντα δι’ αὐτοῦ καὶ εἰς αὐτὸν ἔκτισται http://bible.johndyer.name/thinker…

Quote (Is 1:18 @ Oct. 03 2009,13:03)I think these Genesis passages are problematic for the Arians. as they quite patently state that YHWH was seen. Yet the NT is just as emphatic in stating that The Father hasn't been seen….Hey Is. 1:18,It is good to see you back. In my estimation John 1:18 is grossly misunderstood. It says,“No one has seen God…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 03 2009,12:52)by   g1722 ἐν en   him   g846 αὐτός autos   were   g2936 κτίζω ktizō   all things  g3956 πᾶς pas   created,   g2936 κτίζω ktizō  that are in  g1722 ἐν en   heaven,   g3772 οὐρανός ouranos   and   g2532 καί kai   that are in  g1909 ἐπί epi   earth,   g1093 γῆ gē   visible   g3707 ὁρα&…[Read more]

Constitutionalist said:Quote The “NIV”  makes it look like something is being done on Job's behalf, where as the “KJV” shows that it is something JOB yearns for, pretty big difference.Now, I pray I offended no one, but this is what I gleaned from these verses.Const,The problem with what you say here is that YHWH was actually advocating for Job in…[Read more]

TO JODI LEE:Jodi,The verse below is Colossians 1:16 in the Greek and notice that the two words are “di” and “eis” meaning “through” and “for.”τὰ πάντα δι’ αὐτοῦ καὶ εἰς αὐτὸν ἔκτισται http://bible.johndyer.name/thinker…

Jodi Lee said:Quote I have rightly understood Genesis 18! I have not made anything to fit my doctrine.Jack you truly think you have disproven me? You think in the above passage YHWH has SPOKEN to Himself, and NOT the three men? You think that YHWH here is Jesus who does not KNOW all things, but yet we SEE that He KNOWS the FUTURE of Abraham and…[Read more]

Marty said:Quote Does God have to be justified in the Spirit?A sinless man does not have to be justified in the spirit. Jesus was a sinless man. Therefore, He didn't have to be justified in the spirit.Think it through Marty. Jesus needed to be justified in the spirit because He bore the sins of the world. It was only as our sin-bearer that He…[Read more]

WorshippingJesus said:Quote JackTrue! And the messanger that spoke to Moses out of the Bush identified “Himself” as YHWH. No Angel has ever identified themselvles as YHWH.Therefore the Messenger must be Jesus the is YHWH.This blindness is happened to them accrording to the scriptures!WJYes and Moses thought the Messenger was YHWH,” Then Moses…[Read more]

WorshippingJesus said to Jodi Lee:Quote Apparantly the meaning of english words mean nothing to you guys! You just invernt definitions for your own doctrinesGoing around saying we are going to have a baby, and we built a nursery “by” or “through” our baby. {{{{{Shaking Head}}}}}I still get a kick out of that one. thinker

Jodi Lee said:Quote 'dias' him, and 'dias' him is WHAT the ABOVE SAYS! However I have NEVER explained the interpretation as being for him and for him, or by him and by him, or through him and through him.Huh? If you're not saying “dia” means “for” Him and “for” Him in both instances then you must be saying that it means “through” (by agency of)…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Oct. 03 2009,11:17)Quote (thethinker @ Oct. 03 2009,09:06)The narrative clearly says that it was God Himself who spoke from the midst of the bush, “So when the LORD saw that he turned aside to look, God called to him from the midst of the bush and said, “Moses, Moses!” And he said, “Here I am.” Moses thought that it was YHWH Himself…[Read more]

Marty said:Quote Hi CA:Then the thing to do is to show me specifically why what I have stated is illogical.Love in Christ,MartyMarty,See my post immediately above yours on this page.thinker

CA said:Quote You cannot separate Jesus' humanity from His divinity like the gnostics and later the Arians.Exactly!   Don't forget Nestorius who was like a semi-Gnostic/Arianthinker

Quote (942767 @ Oct. 02 2009,15:13)Quote (thethinker @ Oct. 02 2009,13:37)Marty said:Quote These verses of scripture are speaking of the mystery of godliness and they are speaking of Jesus who is the Son of God and not God.Marty,By your logic we must conclude that verses which state that  Jesus was the Son of Man must mean that He was not Man.…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ Oct. 03 2009,10:23)Jodi……….You have truly preached the true Gospel of Christ and GOD the Father, don't let the deluded Trinitarians trouble you sis, You are one of the greatest blessings GOD has sent to this Site IMO. O and by the way most Here have no Idea what a Gnostic is or there teachings , or surely those who accuse…[Read more]