Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 08 2009,06:26)Hi WJ, WE should be honest and frank in our discussions should we not? You cannot find trinity in the mouth of Jesus or any servant of God and truth is written so where does this dogma come from-honestly it comes from man!It comes from the mouth of the Father. He called His Son “God” and said that the…[Read more]

Jodi lee said;Quote What you need to concede is that the word through has more then one meaning and does in fact mean 'by reason of'.My family eats by reason of me so you prove nothing. Your word parsing is getting ridiculous. Let's move on. Verse 17 says that IN Christ all things are held together. Therefore, He was pre-existent. Consequently, He…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 08 2009,05:53)Hi Jodi, Jesus is the son of God and not of the genes of David but his son according to the flesh by adoption.  

Jodi lee said;Quote What truly matters in all this, is the FACT that the word THROUGH has a meaning of  BY REASON OF, and BECAUSE OF FOR THIS REASON. Our Heavenly Father created heaven and earth by reason of Jesus Christ, whom He planned to come forth as our savior before time began.Jodi,Check your source again. The word “dia” also means “by…[Read more]

Nick said to WJ:Quote When will you truly serve God and His son and not falsehood?We gotcha ya Nick! You exhorted WJ to “serve God AND His Son.” You're an idolater Nick. thinker

CHRIST BEFORE BETHLEHEMDr. Erwin W. LutzerQuote At Christmastime it’s understandable that we focus on the birth of Christ. Many years ago when our oldest daughter was a child, she asked me this question, “Who was looking after the world when God was a baby?”The answer to that question is that Christ was looking after the world even when He was a…[Read more]

Gene said:Quote Thinker……..Post where i said words are not personal. Misrepresenting people and scripture seems to be what you do most. Show us ALL where i said words we speak are not personal , would like very much to see that.  Deluded Trinitarian mind set seems to foster that type of talk. If we say something we need to be able to back it…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ Oct. 07 2009,12:34)Thinker………..So when Jesus said “WHEN THE SON OF MAN RETURNS WILL HE FIND FAITH” He really did not mean that right, because in you theology He is no longer a son of man, but an invisible Spirit being of some kind right? seems you and Jesus has a different view. You also disagree with Jesus when He said A…[Read more]

WorshippingJesus said:Quote Jesus said we must die for him.Keith,Excellent point! The ultimate sacrifice we can make is to die for Christ. This would be idolatry if He is not God.thinker

Jodi lee said:Quote I showed how dias from the lexicon said dias and dias, but I never explained that to be a repetition of the same meaning to the same word, I have always said through and for.Jodi Lee,Your source is wrong UNTIL you produce an actual Greek text which says “dias” and “dias.” I produced a Greek text which contradicts your lexicon.…[Read more]

WorshippingJesus said;Quote I also think the word “love” is thrown around here a lot by those who show no fruit of love at all! But God is the judge of the secrets of mens hearts and knows them that are his!Keith,Right on! I have had enough of Gene's “deluded trinitarian mind” talk. I don't see anti-trinitarians preaching the gospel and giving men…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 07 2009,09:50)Hi LU, I believe the begettal of the Son refers to the rebirth at the Jordan, the time when God declared him to be His Son. This is how we too can follow him and become sons of God and his brothers and sisters.The book of Hebrews is clear that the begettal of the Son was took place at His exaltation…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ Oct. 07 2009,08:23)Thinker………………I do agree with Kathi in what she posted, Maybe your intellect is not personal to you,  but mine and the rest of the world their intellect is personal them. Seems your the one going goo goo ga ga here no one else is. But then that is to be expected from a deluded TRINITARIAN mind…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 07 2009,07:51)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 06 2009,15:40)Hi WJ, So you are able to add the final touches to scripture so that you can say the Son is his own Father?NHAgain, misrepresentation is bearing false witness. You know that Trinitarians do not believe that Jesus is his own Father.You know this but it doesn't seem…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ Oct. 07 2009,02:58)Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 06 2009,19:19)quote KathiAlso, that Thinker believes that the “eternal word” (which is an oxymoron btw since a word has an origin as does a son) is another term that is not found in the Bible) became the Son at some point and time…another idea not clearly taught in the Bible.  We see that…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 07 2009,07:39)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 06 2009,15:33)Hi WJ, Indeed it is necaessary to come out of the world and follow Jesus outside of the city walls. What your false new doctrines offer is death, not life, as you are in rebellionNHThere you go acting like God again! You will be accountable for your words. You…[Read more]

Jodi Lee said:Quote I have said numerous times that the Father created heaven and earth because of Christ and for Christ.You keep changing Jodi. And you are still out of accord with ALL the translations. Give me a good reason why I should disregard EVERY TRANSLATION ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH. Every translation says “through” and “for” or “by” and…[Read more]

Jodi Lee said:Quote It is completely germane!!You say that the world was created by the hands of a pre-existent Jesus, some immortal god son. You say that heaven and earth was created through (as by means of) and for this god son.Ephesians 3 shows us directly that God, not Jesus Christ or some immortal god son as you infer, created all things.…[Read more]

Jodi lee said:Quote Your teaching Jack as I have said before is pure antichrist. You teach that some immortal god was a Christ before Jesus of Nazareth.Welll, you have redefined the term “antichrist.” Traditionally it has always meant that one denies that Jesus Christ came in the flesh. He had to pre-exist in order to COME in the flesh.…[Read more]

Quote (Jodi Lee @ Oct. 07 2009,04:28)Job 16:16 My face is foul with weeping, And on mine eyelids is death-shade. 17 Not for violence in my hands, And my prayer is pure. 18 O earth, do not thou cover my blood! And let there not be a place for my cry. 19 Also, now, lo, in the heavens is my witness, And my testifier in the high places. 20 My…[Read more]