Genesis 16:7-16Quote An agel of the LORD found her by a spring of water in the wilderness, the spring on the road to Shur, 8. and said, “Hagar, slave of Sarai, where have you come from, and where are you going?” And she said, “I am running away from my mistress Sarai.” 9. And the angel of the LORD said to her, “Go back to your mistress, and submi…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 11 2009,14:35)Quote (thethinker @ Oct. 11 2009,14:01)Quote (katjo @ Oct. 11 2009,13:55)Colossians1:15 in the Commentary says: the first born of every creature. This expresses Christ deity and sovereignty in relation to creation. Christ was the first born,not the first created. First born signifies priority in time. First,…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ Oct. 10 2009,12:33)1 Corinthians 1:9 instructs us that we are called into fellowship (Gr. koinonia = communion) with the Son. “God is faithful, through whom you were called into fellowship (Gr. koinonia) with His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord.” (1 Corinthians 1:9)Can any antitrinitarian here please tell us how, in practice, they have…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 10 2009,14:54)Hi KAT,God is not the Son of God.Nick,But the Son of God is God.thinker

Quote (katjo @ Oct. 11 2009,13:55)Colossians1:15 in the Commentary says: the first born of every creature. This expresses Christ deity and sovereignty in relation to creation. Christ was the first born,not the first created. First born signifies priority in time. First, this speaks of His preexistence, what He was from eternity. He was before all…[Read more]

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 09 2009,19:38)I pray to the Father.  The apostle John wanted us to pray to the Son of God (1 John 5:13-15).”God must be believed on in His own dispensation.” thinker

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 09 2009,06:09)Hi TT, For all their avid devotion to the defense of their trinity god theory there is no consistency when it comes to prayer and worship.I have yet to see a prayer to this trinity god but instead prayers are offered to the PERSONS who are not meant to be gods are they?Nick,How would you know about the…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 09 2009,06:03)Hi TT, So why not find WHO God is. That is what Jesus came to teach us. Instead men got caught up in all sorts of foolishness about WHAT God is.You have already told me who God is Nick. God is a bad person because He makes me feel bad. You said that God thinks I am a “worm.” That makes me feel bad so I don't…[Read more]

Nick originally said:Quote Hi TT,You should not try to divide between Jesus and His God as it weakens your speculative trinity idea.thethinker replied:Quote Explain how the Father and the Son are divided by what I say.Now Nick says:Quote Exactly.God exalted His Son.They are two and two who are united in will and purpose and spirit.So what I say…[Read more]

thethinker said:Quote The Father did not commit ALL judgment to the prophets. He committed all judgment to the Son. So Jesus deserves the honor which is to be given to the Divine judge. True or false?Nick replied:Quote Hi TT,So you are saying neither he nor the prophets are that Divine Judge?Nick:Quote He is greater than all the prophets and given…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 09 2009,05:52)Hi TT, Teaching from theory WHAT you think God is does not draw us any closer to WHO He is and into His Love.That goes both ways Nick. God did not say I am a “worm.”thinker

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 09 2009,05:32)Hi TT, You should not try to divide between Jesus and His God as it weakens your speculative trinity idea.“All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son WILLS to reveal Him”Explain how…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 09 2009,04:13)Hi TT, THEREFORE scores another point you would hope but scripture does not need your logic.Men should also have honored the prophets as they too bore the words of God.The Father did not commit ALL judgment to the prophets. He committed all judgment to the Son. So Jesus deserves the honor which is to be…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 06 2009,05:35)Hi TT, Do you often sit in Judgement over the God of Jesus?Nick,I do not judge the Father. I am just pointing out that Jesus wanted to save people the Father did not want to save. When Jesus was subservient to the Father He was bound to save only those the Father gave Him. I have no problem with it.I do…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 09 2009,04:11)Hi TT, You may boast of your knowledge but is such boasting wise? You seem to have great problems with simple things like WHO is God?And you have problems attributing to God the words that were spoken by a man who was not His oracle (Bildad). So what else do you put in God's mouth? The words of Arius for…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ Oct. 09 2009,03:35)T8……..I agree in part what WJ said , Nick does make personal Judgments about what a person says and at times produces no scripture to back it up. I have quoted Many, many times Where Jesus said the words He Spoke (ARE) Spirit and LIFE, and showed him that a (WORD) is the expression of INTELLECT, that is What a…[Read more]

Irene said:Quote I will not go to any Church cause most teach the tinity, and I will not worship in vain.You have been warned, to come out of her my People.  It is up to you, not me.  What you really need to do is study Ancient History.  And that God was only greater then Jesus before He went back to the Father, is simple not so.  The trinity is…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ Oct. 07 2009,12:44)WJ……..Jesus also said “for thou are the (ONLY) true GOD” , He also said I always do what pleases the FATHER, He also said I am going to My Father and Your Father, (MY) GOD and YOUR GOD. He also said (OUR) Father (his and ours) who art in Heaven (THY) Kingdom come (THY) WILL be done in the EARTH as it is in…[Read more]

Wil pounds on the Messenger of the Lord:Quote Several things stand out about this angel in various passages of Scripture. “The angel of the LORD” was a divine personage and “He is to be regarded as a kind of pre–incarnation of the Messiah.” The identity of “the angel of the LORD” with Yahweh is fully established in v. 13. “Then she called the n…[Read more]

To All,I repeat that I am not replying to arguments in this thread. Nick said that my views of the Messenger of the Lord are not trinitarian and that trinitarians are hiding from me in embarassment. I am just “leading on” as Nick exhorted.A. A. Hodge on the Messenger of the Lord:Quote Though no analogy exists by which we may illustrate the…[Read more]