Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 28 2011,13:38)Quote (942767 @ July 27 2011,13:43)As I said, this may refer to Jesus indirectly because God created all things by him, but nowhere, do the scriptures state that Jesus is the first creature created by God.  Colossians 1:15 states that he is “the firstborn of all creation”,Hey Marty,Did you know that “pasa…[Read more]

Here is another anti Jesus is God fallacy. It goes like this,”Jesus cannot be God because God cannot anoint God.”The U.S. Senate may overrule the House of Representatives. Both the Senate and the House of Representatives are two chambers within the larger body which is called Congress. One Congress in two chambers.If the Senate overrules the H of…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 28 2011,08:29)Here is another anti Jesus is God fallacy. It goes like this,”Jesus cannot be God because God cannot anoint God.”The U.S. Senate may overrule the House of Representatives. Both the Senate and the House of Representatives are two chambers within the larger body which is called Congress. One Congress in two…[Read more]

Here is another anti Jesus is God fallacy. It goes like this,”Jesus cannot be God because God cannot anoint God.”The U.S. Senate may overrule the House of Representatives. Both the Senate and the House of Representatives are two chambers within the larger body which is called Congress. One Congress in two chambers.If the Senate overrules the H of…[Read more]

WJ said:Quote I believe “The LORD” spoken of in this verse is Jesus who according to the NT “Possesses all Wisdom”Yes indeed!Jack

frenchie said:Quote KJyou are led by the letter not by the spirit keep drinking and talk to you fellow beer drinker he would understand you very wellPierre Wisdom said, “I wisdom dwell with prudence.” Whos is Prudence frenchie?KJ

Quote (942767 @ July 28 2011,02:12)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 27 2011,13:47)Quote (942767 @ July 26 2011,19:37)Proverbs: 8 is speaking of Wisdom, but may refer indirectly to Jesus since God made every thing by him and for him, but it says nothing about Jesus being the first creature that God created.  This is the way it reads:Quote Pro 8:22 ¶ The L…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 28 2011,01:51)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 27 2011,12:52)Hey Paladin,Why can't you just come out and say what you want to say?Are you saying that you don't agree with Ed's information about “LOVE LESS”?  If so, then just say that and show your reasons.Everything with you must go a million miles out of the way just to…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 28 2011,02:06)Quote (Lightenup @ July 26 2011,22:47)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 25 2011,23:37)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 05 2011,14:55)“But I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt. “You shall acknowledge no God ('elohiym) but me, no Savior except me”. Hosea 13:4Hi Keith, Jack and Kathi:Nehemiah…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ June 15 2011,11:14)John 1:1 (English-NIV)        In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.        a) In the beginning was the Word, (en arch hn o logoV)          b) and the Word was with God, (kai o logoV hn proV ton qeon)          c) and the Word was God. (kai qeoV hn o logoV).        An…[Read more]

WJ said:Quote JackTrue! If Mike believes that Jesus was created like all other created beings then he would have to give up on his claim that “Yalad” in reference to Jesus has the default meaning that God brought birth to Jesus. Beware of the JW doctrine it is full of dead mans bones!WJExactly! Mike is unable to maintain a consistent Christology…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 27 2011,09:26)Quote (terraricca @ July 26 2011,17:08)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 27 2011,15:47)PeirreCan you be saved apart from Jesus?Can you have God the Father without Jesus?WJWJthat is not the right question,because how can we judge the ways of God ??PeirreWhat is to judge? They are simple yes or no…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 21 2011,19:35)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 21 2011,17:43)TO ALL,There you have it! Mike says that “begotten” distinguishes Jesus from angels and from mankind!It distinguishes Jesus from the OTHER angels, Jack.  What's your point again?  WJ replied:Quote The point is Jesus is the “only, single of its kind” Son of God.That m…[Read more]

WJ wrote:Quote But watch Mike do some more dancing!  btw, the ending “genes” is a form of “genos” which means “kind.” The LXX uses the word in the Genesis account where God said, “Let each bring forth after its own kind” (genos). This means that Christ is to be distinguished from angels and from mankind as Mike himself has said (April 2010). If…[Read more]

Istari wrote:Quote 1) Mike says (Said in the 'Begotten' Thread) that Jesus was not CREATED but is the direct SON OF GOD – but in this Thread he says that Jesus was PART OF THAT WHICH WAS CREATED… well, which was it?Mike said in a debate with me that (April 2010) that Jesus as "begotten" is distinguished from angels. Apparently he is now saying…[Read more]

Quote (seekingtruth @ July 25 2011,14:01)Thanks Kathi,I started this poll out of a desire to determine if I was out of line by refusing to carry on arguments. I really do believe it is wrong to argue endlessly on non-essential issues, but others feel its lazy, cowardly, lacking integrity, etc. so I wanted to see if there are any valid arguments to…[Read more]

The statement “God was in Christ” as the heretics use it is fallacious because the preposition “in” means “on the basis of.” It means that Godwas on the basis of Christ's person and work reconciling the world to Himself. Paul had used the preposition again saying that we have become the righteousness of God “in” Him (Christ). This means that we…[Read more]

TO ALL,Mike is trying to tell us that Jeremiah 33:16 says that Judah will be named “YHWH or righteousness.” Please note Young's literal translation below.Quote 16In those days is Judah saved, And Jerusalem doth dwell confidently, And this he whom Jehovah proclaimeth to her: `Our RighteousnessIt says that Jehovah shall proclaim to Judah that the…[Read more]

DUPLICATE TO CORRECT SPELLINGQuote (terraricca @ July 25 2011,07:19)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 25 2011,13:11)Hi Irene and Pierre,The title Jesus was to have was “Jehovah is our Righteousness”.  Jack is trying to say this means Jesus's actual name is “Jehovah”.  But Jack failed to mention that the nation of Judah was also called by that same exact n…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ July 25 2011,07:19)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 25 2011,13:11)Hi Irene and Pierre,The title Jesus was to have was “Jehovah is our Righteousness”.  Jack is trying to say this means Jesus's actual name is “Jehovah”.  But Jack failed to mention that the nation of Judah was also called by that same exact name in Jer 33:16, and it s…[Read more]